Slashdot Mirror


PG-13 Rating Turns 20

Ant writes "CNN has a story about the 20 year anniversary of PG-13 and how it was created/born from two of Steven Spielberg's movies. (Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom and Gremlins)" Oh, Mola Ram and your heart-removing antics, little did you know the profound impact you would have.

24 of 321 comments (clear)

  1. Enforcement... by Izago909 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I realize the importance of having a rating that differentiates between a kid's movie and one for young adults, but as a non-parent I look on it with contempt. Ever since the R rating begun to be widely enforced, studios have toned down violent films so they can still have a chance at making money from the younger market. For example: I might actually have gone to see the recent Alien vs. Predator film had it been rated R, but since it was PG-13, I decided to wait until I can rent it. Enforcement of the ratings system, and the studios' response to it, has dealt the death blow for true horror/action films, because studios must now focus on making higher quality products for a more discerning audience if they want to make profit and carry the R rating. Instead they choose to neuter their movies and add some more special effects and popular cliché to entice the kids.

    I'm not suggesting that just because a movie is rated PG-13 that it is, by default, a bad movie. What I am suggesting is that continuations of previously successful films, and modern horror/action flicks will never be what we all remember them to be. We will never see truly cheesy and senselessly bloody movies like Evil Dead ever again.

    Also, if anyone hasn't heard of a decent NC-17 movie since Showgirls, this one looks promising. I saw the trailer for it the other day.

    1. Re:Enforcement... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      How did you type this and still get a first post?

    2. Re:Enforcement... by Izago909 · · Score: 5, Funny
      How did you type this and still get a first post?
      I' a subscriber baby, I was read it, the link to CNN, and had a response typed in word 10 minutes before it was live.

      God I need a life.
    3. Re:Enforcement... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Interesting
      Nah, your real problem is with the movie studios. Basically, they stopped making plots in, what, '86 or so? With the rare exception of a "Memento" here or a "Requiem For A Dream" there, you can limit your watching to only movies made prior to the late '80s without missing a single thing.

      PG-13 came around about the same time as the studios simply gave up trying. It has nothing to do with making movies teen-safe, and everything to do with the tactic also commonly seen in corporate board rooms: saying to hell with the future, let's see how much junk we can shove out the door on the cheap today before our customers abandon us.

      Give PG-13 a break. If anything, it let studios add the occasional adult element to otherwise-PG movies while still allowing the chilluns to see them. Yes, current movies suck, but that has nothing to do with revamping the ratings system.

      --
      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    4. Re:Enforcement... by huchida · · Score: 5, Insightful


      Nah, your real problem is with the movie studios. Basically, they stopped making plots in, what, '86 or so? With the rare exception of a "Memento" here or a "Requiem For A Dream" there, you can limit your watching to only movies made prior to the late '80s without missing a single thing.


      People keep saying this, but I don't buy it. We have a collective ability to remember the classics and forget all the crappy movies made throughout the years and think things used to be better. They weren't. They've made shitty hack movies since day one. Sequels aren't even anything new, look how many third-rate sci-fi and detective series have been produced throughout the years. I'll give you that the major studios put out some great stuff in the '70's, but that was a fluke-- before then, it was much the same as it is now.

      The truth is, people want the crap. A good movie can do pretty well and find an audience-- look at, say, Donnie Darko-- but the majority want their Alien Vs. Predator. They want to forget their troubles and watch special effects, not be asked to think. And you can give AvP a scathing review, and their friends will tell them it sucked, and they'll still go to see it. If the audience truly hungered for better movies, there would be more of them.

      There are good movies being made, by the way. Thanks in part to both DVD potential and the explosion of low-cost digital editing, idependent filmmaking is stronger now than ever. And it's actually possible to make something great on a shoestring budget with no studio backing or big names and get it seen. That was much, much harder to do as recently as fifteen or twenty years ago.

    5. Re:Enforcement... by Izago909 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it's about supporting someone or something that deserves it. Beides, everyone is just as guilty as me when it comes to blowing $5 sometime in your life.

      Then again, $5 might be high-ballin for you, in which case I apologize for making light of your econimic status.

    6. Re:Enforcement... by The-Bus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, movies are still good. I could name about 100 that have come out in the past 15 years that are spectacular. As shorthand, please note that 20 of IMDB's Top 50 Movies are from 1990 or more recent. I'm not saying all those are masterpieces, but they're damn good.

      The issue, if you'll let me troll for a paragraph or so, is that you're old and/or not interested in researching truly good films being made now. The quality of films right now, I'd say, is probably better than before, certainly not worse. For every Empire Strikes Back there were five American Ninja movies. It's just that, over time, we forget bad movies. I mean, who remembers movies like Fklesh & Blood? But we remember Sunset Blvd.. In 15 years no one will remember Avp. Just give it time. All the good stuff will rise to the surface.

      --

      Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.

    7. Re:Enforcement... by kalidasa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are two kinds of FOSS people on Slashdot: those who support free software because they support freedom, and those who support free software because it's free. You have just had a run-in with the latter.

    8. Re:Enforcement... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is mostly an american thing. It's very amusing to see your "standards" from an european perspective.

      Here in Scandinavia you can curse in TV-shows and movies. I haven't heard much cursing in children movies, but it wouldn't be against the law.

      The same goes with nudity. I've seen movies for children that contained nudity, but in a natural setting (like taking a bath etc.).

      What we really try to protect young children against is violence. It seems like the american movies do the opposite. You can show violence, but if anyone shows a tit, the movie instantly moves up a rating :-)

  2. So for 7 years... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    PG13 has been able to watch itself.

  3. Woah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Did anyone else think they were raising the allowed age for letting kids into a PG-13 movie to 20?

    Or maybe 20 year olds could be naked now in a PG-13 movie.

    Or... how old are the Olsen Twins again?

  4. Misleading headline by Will2k_is_here · · Score: 5, Funny

    For a second there, I thought PG-13 was about to become PG-20!

  5. Hooray by Anonymous+Writer · · Score: 5, Funny

    CNN has a story about the 20 year anniversary of PG-13

    In a related story... nobody cares.

  6. It really means nothing by greypilgrim · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What I don't get, is that the rating systems are inconsistent. Here in Quebec, most movies that are rated R elsewhere are rated PG-13. Take Hannibal for instance, I believe in the U.S. it was rated R, in Quebec it was PG-13 or maybe even PG-14, and in Brittish Columbia I think it was rated PG. How can anyone make sense of anything when the rating system is inconsistent? If you ask me, it's just a waste of time, completely meaningless.

    1. Re:It really means nothing by tntguy · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's the exchange rate.

  7. Mola Ram removed a heart? by Radon+Knight · · Score: 4, Funny
    I guess that explains why Indy was so surprised when he said, "He's still alive!" Or why Short Round yelled, "Cover your heart Indy! Cover your heart!" during the bridge scene.

    For those of you who don't know what I'm referring to, in the U.K. cut of Temple of Doom, the British censors refused to screen the movie without deleting the heart-removal scene, and the scene of Short Round being whipped, and maybe one or two other scenes. (The recently released Indy boxed set in the U.K. kept with the original theatrical versions, which pissed me off when I realised the difference.) As you might expect - and as I mentioned above - the heart scene was sorta crucial for making sense of a couple points of the movie.

  8. And what was the first PG-13 movie??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The fine brat-esque-pack Red Dawn.

  9. jack valenti can go [CENSORED] by Speare · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why is this "knews" piece even relevant? CNN has a pro-MPAA, pro-RIAA, Valenti puff piece every couple days. You don't see a whole lot of well-rounded copyright discourse on the major media news outlets. (Gee, I wonder why...) CNN: We're tough on music fans. We like suing kids and grandmas. We equate infringement with theft. We are fair and balanced, too.

    --
    [ .sig file not found ]
  10. Movie ratings and trademarks by PapayaSF · · Score: 5, Interesting

    An interesting bit of movie rating history: when the MPAA brought out the original system (G/M/R/X), they trademarked the first three but not "X." Pornographers were thus free to use it, and it came to be associated with "pornography" instead of "adult content," requiring the creation of the "NC-17" rating years later.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-rated

    --
    Q: What does the "B." in Benoit B. Mandelbrot stand for? A: Benoit B. Mandelbrot
  11. Re:binary rating system by daveo0331 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The problem is with the unintended consequences of the ratings system. In theory, there should be 5 different ratings (G, PG, PG13, R, NC17). In reality, the ratings start to take on meanings other than the ones they were intended to have. For example, G means "kid's movie" and NC17 means "sex" so studios deliberately avoid putting out movies that have these ratings. Sometimes this means adding an expletive or two for the sole purpose of getting the movie up to PG instead of G.

    I've heard of the Catholic rating system. One thing they do that the MPAA doesn't is they look at how the sex/violence/whatever is portrayed and not just whether it exists. So if someone gets murdered, but the movie shows the consequences of violence rather than glorifying it, the Catholic system tends to take this into account. Of course, it's all based on the Catholic Church's idea of morality, so movies can also get nailed for things like showing unmarried couples living together, gay/lesbian relationships, etc.

    They must be doing something right, though. I believe Gigli was rated "Offensive."

    --
    Remember the days when Republicans were the party of fiscal responsibility?
  12. My problem is the exact opposite by the-matt-mobile · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Though my position on this issue probably doesn't sync with the norm, I've found the problem with PG-13 to be the exact opposite of yours. Sometimes I'd just like to see a good movie without any of the questionable junk. (I know, I know - lots of people seem to prefer to see the stuff I just called junk in their moves - I'd rather that stuff be in movies rated R though.) Movies which for the most part probably could be rated PG throw some gratuitous scene or language in just to get the coveted PG-13 rating so that the teenage crowd won't dismiss it. So, what you end up with are movies which are mostly pretty good, but have some questionable content which may or may not fit with the rest of the story or the intended audience in one small scene just to get the more mature rating. So, from my perspective, the PG-13 rating has actually worsened my movie going experience. But, I recognize I'll be hard pressed to have very many other people on Slashdot agree. Let the puritanical accusations commence!

  13. Re:PG-13 is a root cause of bad films. by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Most films are are either child and fundamentalist reactionary safe (G)

    You mean films such as 2001: A Space Odyssey? That's probably my all time favorite. I find that "adult" film really means adolescent film. I don't care to spend hours and hours filling my head full of blooshed and gore. There's a whole universe of stuff out there that could make for interesting films, but people are so in love with violence that that's what we get. Either that or just plain stupid, sappy stuff.

    Long ago I decided to vote with my buck and just stop going to the movies.

    --
    http://www.rootstrikers.org/
  14. Voluntary ratings system by Castaa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was surprised to find out that the motion picture rating system is a voluntary system. It is enforced by the ownership/management of a theater and not by law (like age limits on alcohol or driving).

    I found this out when Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 9/11 was released this year. There was such an uproar about the film being rated 'R' (and thus a "Bush led conspiracy to keeping some people from seeing it") that a couple of theater owners in the Bay Area said they wouldn't enforce the 'R' rating on the film.

    I'm not sure what would happen if a theater owner consistently ignored the rating system.

    --
    Chew: You Nexus, huh? I design your eyes.
    Roy: Chew, if only you could see what I've seen with your eyes.
  15. OT: Subscriber First Post by Iffy+Bonzoolie · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is an interesting side-effect of subscriptions - it enables intelligent first posts. Trolls aren't really gonna subscribe because they are all broke 13-year-olds (or broke 23-year-olds). So you have a bunch of people selected from what is likely to be the most intelligent posters getting a head start. An interesting strategy would be to just delay stories for people with low/no karma. It could possibly make this effect more pronounced. Of course you would market it as a reward for having high karma.

    -If

    Bad Karma? No Probalo!

    --
    Run a pencil-and-paper RPG campaign with your far-off friends: Gametable!