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Secret Chamber In The Great Pyramid?
ferkelparade writes "The Guardian reports that two French amateur archaeologists believe they have located a secret chamber in the Cheops pyramid using microgravimetry and radar. The team believes that this might be the pharaoh's burial chamber - as the chamber seems to be unopened, it might still house the complete burial treasure. More coverage from abc."
I saw a documentary just a few weeks ago about the hidden dangers of secret pyramid chambers. Walls can start shifting around for no reason and for God's sake stay the hell away from any pod-shaped living structures attached to the ground!
Let's hope we have another curse on the tomb to revitalize the 50's mummy movies craze.
There are 01 types of people in this world. Those that understand binary, and me.
It's behind a small door, so the robot can't get in.
The gods will be very pissed!
I really start to wonder about disturbing the graves of others. I guess the fact that they aren't from a current religion means they don't deserve respect, right?
Is it the Ark of the Covenants?
Is it the Holy Grail?
No; they find an even rarer, more legendary, and more precious treasure.
Or it could be like Al Capone's secret vault, and have nothing.
If, as the story says, they are being denied access to the site on the grounds that they are not professional Egyptologists, how did they find out all of the information they base their theory on?
Did they use some Star Trek Sensor array from high above the surface of the earth?
...But I digress. TREMBLE PUNY HUMANS!ONE DAY MY SPECIES WILL DESTROY YOU ALL!
It's nice to know someone found Bin Laden's hideout - he's been hangin with Khufu!
Now the Egyptian Gov't just needs to stall long enough to let him make his way to the great wall of China.
-Adam
It's about time we find that other dialing device.
"...as the chamber seems to be unopened, it might still house the complete burial treasure".
In other news today, Geraldo Rivera announced that he's discoverd Al Capone's secret vaults!
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
But the French researchers are being denied access to the pyramid to test their theory.
Well, given that numerous cultural sites have been desecrated and priceless Egyptian artifacts have been stolen from Egypt by European and Egyptian "researchers" over the last couple centuries (and millenia), can you blame the Egyptian officals?
If the French researchers really want access to the pyramids, maybe they can petition the French, British and other governments to return some of the artifacts as a sign of good will.
Hey, scientific progress is great, but so is maintaining your cultural heritage.
"Can of worms? The can is open... the worms are everywhere."
And I'd like to add to it, if only a little. The knowledge that an archaeologist seeks is not simply for himself, but for the greater interest and good of mankind. It sounds high-handed and trite, I know, but it's the truth. In fact, most archaeologists (and historians in general) act much like the Open Source community does: They share information as if it were a responsibility to do so, and make their goal the discovery of new information to be shared and/or the reinterpretation of old information which would reveal new information. (I hope that wasn't too confusing.)
For what it's worth, most archeological artifacts end up in museums and the protective-but-publicly-accessable vaults (though you sometimes need a reason better than "I just wanted to find out if any Joanne Schmoe can look at ancient pottery shards"), rather than in private collections and on the auction block. For the archaeologist (and, again, historians in general), knowledge alone is its own treasure.
~UP
[Note: To establish my own credibility on this subject, I submit that I am a student and History Major at a university noted within academic circles for its history department; just as an example of this, we had a visiting professor, last year, who was one of the top five asian-history historians on the planet.]
Eat the Path.
(I really need to use that "Preview" function more often.)
The vaults I mention above are those of Universities and other academic institutions.
~UP
Eat the Path.
it's where they keep the Zats.
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
"Huzzah!" should be the cry from all Harry Potter fans as this news must mean that they have finally found the real "Chamber of Secrets."
Given that the ancient Engyptions of that time period believed that they needed to have all the crap they were buried with in the afterlife, and that mantaining the sanctity of the tomb was necessary for them to be able to exist in the next life, I'd say that, assuming that they actually believed the above, an ancient Egyptian king's interest in millenia of fame would stop short of anything that would ruin his afterlife.
This brings up the question of whether or not everyone, specifically the pharos themselves, actually believed 100% in the religion of the day.
Did you ever wonder if there was a pharoh that was uneasy at the thought of having their body put through the embalming process? What with their brains being pulled out of their nose and their organs being put into jars I would expect that some of them were not to excited about the prospect.
The ancient Egypitans also believed that the pharohs were gods. It was central to their religion. I think that *maybe* the pharohs themselves knew whether or not they were actually gods, and this knowledge might have had some bearing on their perception of their religious beliefs.
Not to mention marrying and having sex with their sisters. I bet that some pharohs were kind of upset about that, but did it anyways because it was not only expected, but required to make sure that the power system continued to function. The believers knew that this was proper according to the religion and it would be improper to change it, possible weakening the strength of the pharoh who tried to do it. Fear of the population's reaction to violating their belief system could have been a motivator, as easily as the actual belief itself.
Also, I find it strange that with the current climate of acceptable atheism and self directed spiurituality that varys wildly from person to person as a cultural refrence point that almost everyone seems to have the impression that past cultures' populations were all 100% believers, completely succeptible to religious indoctrination.
These are the cultural archaelogy questions that may (probably will not) ever be answered. Pity too, because what REALLY caused people to act in a certain manner is infinitely more interesting to me than the plausible or probably answer.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
Actually the Nazis found it first, then the Russians got it, then the Americans borrowed it and blew it up.
If we can get our hands on enough documents from a given culture it gets easier to figure these things out. If I recall right, we know that the Golden Age Greeks didn't really believe any of their mythology, even if they did believe in their gods, which is what you'd expect from such a scientifically-minded culture. Sort of like how most modern-day Christians don't really think that Hell is a physical place in the way it is described in the Bible and would be pretty skeptical if the evening news were to claim that a man was enervated by a haircut.
If your religion involve$ being buried with lot$ of gold, jewel$ and rich $tuff, then you had better expect to be di$turbed by graverobber$ afterward$.
A former circus strongman and giant, turned egyptologist, Giovanni Battista was the first to enter the sarcophagus chamber in modern times. I've been there: he left his graffiti still very visible in big black letters on the wall of the inner chamber, a foot high: "Belzoni 1818". He opened a number of other tombs as well. His favorite tool was dynamite.
There is not nearly enough love in the world, but there is far too much trust.
The archeologist (vs. the grave robber) is there because the treasure belongs in a museum, where everyone can study it and learn from it, instead of locked away in a private collection where only one person can see it... plus if the Nazis get to this treasure first, they'll try to use it to take over the world!
why are we bickering about whether it's for knowledge or fame or fortune? Everybody knows in the end, boys just want their mummy. =)
I don't think your observations are really all that fair. You are looking at that through our culture. That is the way things were done in that culture.
Did you ever wonder if there was a pharoh that was uneasy at the thought of having their body put through the embalming process? What with their brains being pulled out of their nose and their organs being put into jars I would expect that some of them were not to excited about the prospect.
Perhaps they would be horrified that they could just be placed in a common box under 6 feet of dirt. Perhaps they wouldn't much like the idea of cremation either. So their dead body goes through a ridual and they get a lavish burial.
Not to mention marrying and having sex with their sisters. I bet that some pharohs were kind of upset about that, but did it anyways because it was not only expected, but required to make sure that the power system continued to function. The believers knew that this was proper according to the religion and it would be improper to change it, possible weakening the strength of the pharoh who tried to do it.
Perhaps they did it to keep their royal blood line pure. You can't mix royal blood with common blood. Nearly every nation with royalty has only married other royalty which leads to a shallow gene pool.
Also, I find it strange that with the current climate of acceptable atheism and self directed spiurituality that varys wildly from person to person as a cultural refrence point that almost everyone seems to have the impression that past cultures' populations were all 100% believers, completely succeptible to religious indoctrination.
This may be more of a culture issue too. If people 1000 years from now find a US dollar that says "In God We Trust." along with various parts of the government that mention religion, they might conclude that the US has a religious government (no flames here please.)
Personally, I believe there is an inate instinct in man to worship something, whether that be a god, nature or himself. That's besides the point though.
Not everything is analogous to cars. Car analogies rarely work.
I bet that some pharohs were kind of upset about that
Why? There's nothing in the uncivilized brain that makes that an untenable aspect--if there were, civilizations wouldn't need the laws we have against it.
Also, I find it strange that with the current climate of acceptable atheism and self directed spiurituality that varys wildly from person to person as a cultural refrence point that almost everyone seems to have the impression that past cultures' populations were all 100% believers, completely succeptible to religious indoctrination.
You're comparing apples on the tree to applesauce.
In ancient times religion occupied the same place as business and science and government does today. If Linus Torvalds, Bill Gates, and Stephen Hawking all say something, we accept it almost without question, en masse. And we have a culture that encourages dissent and discussion!
It's spurious to think that pre-Christian civlizations had any more dissent than Medieval Christianity--whose dissent boils down to "I believe the older set of authorities", not "I don't believe you..."
The Egyption Antiquites always has some excuse not to let people in to test, it won't hurt anything and the Egyptian authorities can decide whether or not to proceed further....
I was not familiar with microgravimetry. The Federal Highway Administration has an article on using it to find old mines
It looks like basicaly you use Newton's law of gravatation to measure the local density of the earth, and just look around for a dip.
Microgravimetry is also used in the study of thin films
Sola Deo Gloria!
Dynamite was invented by Alfred Nobel of Sweden in 1867. 1818 < 1867. QED.
Howard Carter smashed his way through a few priceless historical artifacts, too. Battering rams were easier to obtain and safer to use than black powder charges (dynamite not having been invented yet, black powder was the explosive most commonly used by European treasure hunters).
I'm not trying to defend Belzoni, just making a minor correction on your post. Belzoni was responsible for the loss of many irreplaceable artifacts, and like most treasure hunters of his time he was no different from a grave robber.
Ahh Monty I'll take what's behind door number 2 please.
OK, it's probably just more of the petty nationalism the Americans are currently wallowing in. Jingoism and racism are so similar it's hard to tell sometimes.
Those filthy Arabs couldn't possibly have any NOBLE motives, therefore the only reason they want to STOP CENTURIES OF PLUNDER of their heritage is to STEAL YOUR WHITE MAN GLORY!!!!
I think I need a shower.
I hear a new episode of Starget SG-1 coming on!
I don't have the energy to dig up old links (try google) but isn't this essentially old news?
Weren't both kooks and serious people yahooing 4-5-8 years ago about secret tunnelling and hidden chambers, both the "air shaft/star shaft" group and the "echolocation/GPR" people back then? Or am I mixing and matching paleocliology?
Do we all have such short attention spans?
Though if this ends up being a room holding a statue of Osiris holding an Ankh, I'm giving money to the kooks, same day.