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Cellphones Usable on Airplanes in 2006?

JOhn-E G writes "In a recent article from the New York Times it seems that airlines and cellphone makers are working towards allowing cellphones to be used on airplanes during flight. (free reg. required) Currently the plan is to have a mini cell tower, a picocell, on the plane that would intercept all the calls from people in the plane and relay them to satelites or ground towers. The FAA, FCC, and the airlines really want to be absolutely sure that there will be no interference anywhere. The article also says that cell use may still be banned during landings just to be safe. Changes would start in 2006."

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  1. Re:bans by hpa · · Score: 4, Informative

    Cellphones are banned for interference reasons by the FCC. Cellphones might also be banned for (perceived) safety reasons by any individual airline (or, for that matter, aircraft captain); cell phones are *NOT* banned by the FAA.

  2. Re:great... by timealterer · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's interesting that you mention this. Jakob Nielsen did a great study that showed that people don't need to talk any louder on their cell to be annoying - it's naturally annoying to you because you only hear one side of the conversation. Read about it here.

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  3. Re:bans by Lehk228 · · Score: 3, Informative

    actually cell phones on airplanes causes problems with the cell network, wih the phone "visible" to many towers rather than one or two each phone uses far more network resources and can cause dropped calls on the ground.

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  4. Re:bans by squidinkcalligraphy · · Score: 4, Informative

    The cell phone can interfere with the navigation and communication equipment on the flight deck. The phone's signal strength gets prgressively stronger when it can't contact a tower, and this strong(ish) radio signal can screw things up for you and the other couple of hundred people on board. The thing about the pico-towers they are talking about is they prevent the phone from seeking out the tower on the ground by providing a signal nearby, thus lowering the phone's signal strength.

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  5. FAA supports FCC ban by pyrrhonist · · Score: 2, Informative
    cell phones are *NOT* banned by the FAA.

    ...while the plane is on the ground. In the air the FAA supports the FCC ban.

    From this FAA web page:

    The FCC currently prohibits the use and operation of cellular telephones while airborne. The FAA supports this airborne restriction because cell phones might interfere with critical aircraft systems. Currently, the FAA does not prohibit use of cellular telephones in aircraft while on the ground if the airline has determined that they won't interfere with the navigation or communication systems of the aircraft.
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  6. Re:Ohhh by twiddlingbits · · Score: 4, Informative

    Nope, it's an Urban Legend..Cells can't ignite the fumes..MythBusters also did a segement on this where they debunked it very well. If ya check out snopes.com I think you'll see if debunked there too. I like my cell, but there are times I wish I could chunk it..A great thing and a PITA both at the same time..

  7. Re:headphones by damiam · · Score: 2, Informative

    Noise-canceling headphones wouldn't help you with people talking; they only work well with constant drones like the roar of the engines.

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  8. Re:Ohhh by irc.goatse.cx+troll · · Score: 2, Informative

    Local news story here about a guy whos phone ignighted the gas. Even showed the burnt up phone. I doubt the cell waves have anything to do with it, just that getting a call while having your phone submerged in gas fumes is a BadThing(tm)

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  9. Re:bans by icebike · · Score: 2, Informative

    Anyhow I dont think just adding "picocells" is going to correct the problem of poorly designed cell phones that give off EMR they are not supposed to!

    But the local picocell wuill induce the cell phone to reduce its power to the bare minimum because it has such a good local signal. Cell phones have some of the most elaborate battery saving software in the world. They always try to use the absolute minimum power that will get the job done.

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  10. Re:Ohhh by mattrumpus · · Score: 2, Informative

    Credentials - I work in a test and type approval lab for GSM equipment.

    The issue at Gas stations is all about percived interference by cell phones with the billing and measurement equipment of the filling station, a revenue protection exercise.

    Too bad that's also a completely bullshit concern!

    Oh well, it gives people something else to worry about I spose...

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  11. Phone broadcast strength by hankwang · · Score: 2, Informative
    Actually, it's not that the handshake is done at higher power--it's that by picking the phone up, you're moving it far enough from the speaker/wires that the interference goes away.

    That's not my experience (GSM). I once was bored and did a few experiments with my computer speakers as a broadcast strength indicator. (Funny, my hifi amplifier never has those problems) The handshake and the first few seconds are broadcast at higher power.

    A phone knows how strong the signal from the base is, but does not know whether the base can hear the phone as well. In standby mode, a phone is just listening, only every now and then (30 minute intervals) it will give a "I'm alive" message. So, broadcasting initially happens at maximum power. If the base acknowledges that the signal level is strong enough, the signal level is stepped down.

  12. Re:bans by StevenHenderson · · Score: 2, Informative

    Wrong. You do not have the range to "see" cells at 30,000 feet. iDEN networks have the longest range of all cellular technologies, and based on the reuse pattern, maxes out at a few miles. Even if the range could extend to that far of a distance, cell antennae are directional, and point at a downwards angle.