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International OSS Desktop Conference aKademy 2004
Torsten Rahn writes "The KDE Project is pleased to announce the successful completion of the KDE Community World Summit ("aKademy 2004") in
Ludwigsburg (Germany) taking place from August 20th to 29th. With more than 230 KDE core developers, usability and accessibility experts, translators, editors and artists participating, the event is expected to have a huge and lasting impact on the next major releases of the leading Linux and Unix desktop environment. In addition, 270 visitors from the KDE user base and from other Free Software projects brought the total number of attendees to 500. The international participants, coming from 5 continents, took part in 65 talks, 10 full-day tutorials and numerous BoF-meetings over the course of 10 days. Thanks to this huge turnout and the numerous activities, the event evolved into the largest conference ever held that focused on a single open source desktop environment."
They didn't have enough marketing clout to get a real foothold into the market. They couldn't get PC makers to ship PCs with BeOS because of Microsoft, they didn't have the established reputation to get distributors for their own hardware like Apple, and they weren't giving away their stuff for free like Linux.
Also, it's possible that it was too expensive (I don't really know, though).
"[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz
This is such a pointless arguement. If I wanted speed I wouldn't even install X, I'd use the console the whole time.
Features that YOU want should come first, speed should only be a concern if it actually has a major affect over what you are trying to get done, which really isn't the case on modern hardware. After all, some people are happy using Windows XP.
So what if KDE is slower than Gnome and uses more memory? (That's just an example, I have no idea what the actual case is here) That's why you have the hardware, it's there to be used and abused to get the results you want.
And for the record, Gnome runs just fine here, fast enough speeds everywhere. I obviously don't have the 'plague' on my system...
Now there are of course a lot of interesting things on could talk about. For example the integration of NX technology into kde, the new search feature, better integration between gnome and kde, the changes Qt4 might bring, etc.
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But unfortunatley these things won't be discussed on
So, what can we expect?
Easy, on one side we will see the old gnome vs. kde flame war.
People will tell us that kde is bloated (of course without telling us what bloated means), that only gnome gets it right, etc.
And some people will of course react in the same kind, telling us that gnome is unusable, that all the gnome devs are bad people, etc.
For good meassure there will of course be someone telling us that anyone using anything with more features then twm is no real man and that real man only need the command line anyway.
And of course there will be a lot of posts claiming linux isn't ready for the desktop.
We will here that they had never had any problems with windows, that their XP install has been running happily on their PI 100 for 5 years now and that linux just doesn't cut it.
And we will for sure see some expert telling us that it isn't ready because photoshop doesn't run on linux, as if everyone needed or even wanted photoshop.
I could go on and on of course and people never cease to surprise me with the stupid topics they can come up with, but what annoys me most is that a lot of these incredibly boring and dumb posts will be modded interesting and insightful.
Now there will probably be a lot of people filing me under linux zealot who can't stand anyone critizising his religion, but that is not the point here. There are of course a lot of things that could and should be better and yes, these things should be discussed, but that is something entirely different from the flaimbaits we can expect here.
"So why not use them? OS X is easy to use, sure, but it's BSD under the hood, so it has more than enough to play with. ;-) Believe me, I know -- OS X user for almost a year (Linux was my main OS before that - I still use Linux for a small IRC server and some other minor projects)."
I have given that a lot of thought, and I'm actually fairly close to it. There are a couple of hurdles, though:
1.) My main machine is a TabletPC. I use it for drawing. To the best of my knowledge, Apple hasn't moved in that direction yet. (If they made one that had better resolution that 1024 by 768, I'd be all over it.)
2.) Upgrading my desktop machine can be done in small phases. New processor here, new video card there, you get the picture. A Mac would be a considerably larger expenditure to switch. When s'more money comes in, though....
Funny, my other reasons are dying. Nearly all the software I use is there on the Mac. Most of the plugins I use now for Lightwave are being more respectful to the Mac. My job has even focused enough that the extra stuff I use Windows for isn't necessary. If my computer were to magically turn into a Mac overnight, I wouldn't be anything but happy about it.
I guess I've finally reached that point where I don't want to mess under the hood anymore. Windows 2k/XP have been kind to me. I have stable machines. It doesn't get in my way. It does what I want it to. But even the "re-install every 6 months because of registry rot" problem is too much for me anymore. If there was a such thing as an appliance for the work I do, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
"Derp de derp."
You can call me stupid or whatever, but that doesn't excuse programmers from writing stuff that is a pain in the ass to use.
As others above has said already: if you don't like it, don't use it. Saying that in YOUR opinion it sucks will only anger people to war, no matter it's YOUR opinion you're talking about.
I don't understand one thing: if one has found his way and is happy with a solution (i.e. Mac&OSX) than why's the need to spread that linux sucks ? You just have too much time to spare now that you don't compile your softwares ? Baaah.
Anyways, we have some choices for OS's these days which is a very good thing. You stick to yours and help it evolve if you wish (most guys who talk like you don't do that, just talk) and be glad that you don't _have_ to choose MS, because there are other options, like Debian which is my personal favourite for ages now, and like OSX which you'll be very happy with.
Instead of trolling other people's favourites, you could just tell the best of your favourite without bashing the others. That would be a nice way to go. Very few people are following that.
I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I can think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.
The Gnome folks appear to be doing just that. I suspect Gnome is an attempt to clone the Mac UI (elegance over features) and KDE an attempt to clone the Windows UI (features over elegance).
Take a look at the difference between Nautilus (the Gnome file manager) and Konqueror (the KDE file manager-cum-web browser).
Nautilus is easier to use if all you want is to copy a file from one local "folder" to another. But if you want to copy a file from an ftp site, Konqueror lets you perform the operation without resort to a dedicated ftp program.
I'm a sci-fi vegan: I don't want the aliens to think we have as much right to live as the fried chickens we eat.
because it has done many good things. Really, KDE and GNOME is for different user groups, so I really hate those all flamewars. I love GNOME and you love KDE. That's all and great - because it's all about choice. Someone else uses OS X, and someone else - some BSD flavor...
What I really love to see that freedesktop.org starts to really matter for developers. I love that colobration stuff that we can share easily data without breaking each other goals.
Remember, colobration and easy data migration between platforms is the key to the future of Linux *mainstream* destkop.
And yes, kudos KDE team as always for superior translation tool - KBabel.
user@ubuntubox:~$ stfu This server is going down for shutdown NOW!
Free software will never be free until it is easy enough to create that most anyone with a basic undertsanding of software concepts can create software thru the use of general automation tools. Be it that they use such tools to do simple scripting or complex programming.
Free software is free already. You don't need to know how to program to use your freedoms, like you don't have to be a carpenter to build your house.
In this case, the application should load its icons when it loads; then, when the menu comes up, it's instantaneous. Load time is meaningless to me when I work in (maybe) 5 or 6 applications that are left running all the time. Render time when I click on a menu is important.
And don't try and argue that loading all the icons is going to push me into swap; even if it did, swapping applications back in takes far less than a second, even though I don't go into swap.
I appear to have a blog. Odd.
I'm the coward above :)
/tmp/ (which is a tmpfs on my computer) and made gtk only look them there. It was a nice speed bump. .. blargh.
Funny, I made a weird hack a while back in that on system startup all icons were copied into
But if something like would be done everyone would complain again that gnome is a memory hog
WinAmp,WinZip,WinRar,WinDVD,WinaXe,WinAce,WinCopy, WinEdit,WinExpert, WinTheListIsEndless
Gimp, Gaim , Gkrellm, Gnuisletme , Gnumeric, Gnomoradio, gwavegen, grip, gstreamer, GTheListIsEndless
Konqueror, Kmail, Kopete, Kview, Kruler, Ksnapshot,KTheListIsEndless.
Listen friends Every desktop has its fair share of annoying prefixes, so live with it!
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A lot of the G* items don't stand for "Gnome", but a good number for "GTK" or "GNU". Specifically, I'll point out GIMP from your list. Just what toolkit do you think Gnome uses in the first place, any why it came about to exist? ;-)
"An infinite number of monkeys typing into GNU emacs would never make a good program."
After all, some people are happy using Windows XP.
2.4GHz CPU, 1/2 gig of RAM... yes, XP runs perfectly smoothly, as do Java GUI apps, etc.
As you say, on modern hardware, for 90%+ of applications resource usage is a non-issue.
It's official. Most of you are morons.
Lets see, you have 'pipes', 'dcop', 'shell scripting', 'scripting in kde', 'kparts'...
All these allow for what you are talking about..
Perhaps kde is not the best that can be done, as you put it, but it does what you are asking for... today...
A tad bit of research before you toss in the pro-MS line might help your credibility..
---- Booth was a patriot ----