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Russian May Have Solved Poincare Conjecture

nev4 writes "Reuters (via Yahoo News) reports that Grigori Perelman from St. Petersburg, Russia appears to have solved the Poincare Conjecture. The Poincare Conjecture is one of the 7 Millenium Problems (another is P vs NP, also covered on /. recently). Solving a Millenium Problem carries a reward of $1M, but apparently Perelman isn't interested..." nerdb0t provides some background in the form of this MathWorld page from 2003.

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  1. He'd post AC by SYFer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    True math genius and the desire for money (and fame and babes, etc.) seem to be mutually exclusive traits and I think that's rather inspiring (and damned practical).

    Take the case of Paul Erdos who was essentially homeless, but published over 1500 papers and is considered one of the all time greats in the field.

    Perelman just casually posted his solution out to the web in much the same way that some of the most brilliant posts on /. come form "anonymous cowards" sitting in their offices at MIT. What a god.

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    1. Re:He'd post AC by k98sven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well.. I think it's kind of a general thing for all good Science too.

      Einstein's original paper on Special relativity was named "On the electrodymanics of moving bodies".. It was not named "Revolutionary new discovery by me, Albert Einstein which will revolutionize the world of physics".

      I guess there are several reasons for this.. one is simply manners. Boasting is unpolite. Scientific papers rarely have exciting titles, even when the results are exciting.

      The second is of course, that a good scientist realizes the if a result may be revolutionary. A good scientist also always leaves room for doubt.

      So the natural behaviour would of course to be careful and discreet, and not go confidently telling the world of your revolution until it has been verified. Otherwise, you'll end up with a lot of egg on your face.

      Conversely, most scientists are highly sceptical of 'revolutionary' results which are announced in the press before being published. In fact, most pseudoscientists are very good at publicizing themselves and their 'revolutions', probably because they are totally convinced of their own theories, and are lacking the 'self-doubt' bit.

    2. Re:He'd post AC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      This observation of Stevyn and the answer to his question "When will the rest of us learn?" is well explained by Maslow's heirarchy of needs. The was Maslow would havd put it is that this guy and other brillian people are 'self actualized' "A musician must make music, the artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be ultimately at peace with himself. What a man can be, he must be. This need we may call self-actualisation. (Motivation and Personality, 1954)". This happens after the various esteem needs, love needs, safety needs, and physiological needs are met. I think the average person gets stuck dealing with the "safety needs" (thus easy 9/11 manipulation). And the average reasonably-successful-slashdotter-guy gets stuck with the "esteem needs" stage aiming for Karma.

      Only us self-actualized "Anonymous Coward" guys rise above this with insightful and informative posts such as this one without whoring for karma.

    3. Re:He'd post AC by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Anyone that brilliant would see how pointless it is to worry about money. When will the rest of us learn?

      Oh please. What is this? The 60s? Apparently the guy is able to find enough time to work on these problems. That kind of freedom is what money buys. If he didn't have enough money to do that then it would suddenly become much more important.

      "Money" is not some stack bills in your wallet. It represents some tangible effort that had value, and that value is now stored in a convenient form, ready to be exchanged for something else of value.

    4. Re:He'd post AC by SYFer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We don't need to "learn" from this, really. it's perfectly OK in our society to take pride in our achievements and to try to gain from them. Unless you're truly self-actualized (as another poster astutely pointed out), we're all subject to certain realities and desires. After all, monetary reward can enhance your ability to do more good. As Hunter S. Thompson once said, "feed the body or the head will die." There's no shame in that. I find it interesting though, that some artists and scientists seem to exist on another plane altogether.

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    5. Re:He'd post AC by Stevyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're completely correct; I think my comment was mistaken. Without the reward of money at the end of the tunnel, I probably wouldn't be in school now working towards a goal. There is no shame in working for money because it represents a reward for an invaluable effort.

      However, I've seen many intelligent people work hard without stopping because it was the right thing to do, not because of the monetary gain. That is what I'd hope to highlight.

    6. Re:He'd post AC by mbw314 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I guess there are several reasons for this.. one is simply manners. Boasting is unpolite. Scientific papers rarely have exciting titles, even when the results are exciting. The second is of course, that a good scientist realizes the if a result may be revolutionary. A good scientist also always leaves room for doubt.

      Contrast this lack of fanfare with another recent publication, Stephen Wolfram's A New Kind of Science. This 'new' science seems to have been met with mixed reviews at best, and not the paradigm shift that the author seems to have been hoping for. Of course only time will tell who is right... But in the event that Perelman's is incorrect, his humility and lack of hubris regarding his solution definitely earns him my respect, and undoubtedly that of many others in the field.

    7. Re:He'd post AC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not really, since the field of electrodynamics was only in its infancy at that time, a few years after the publication of maxwell's theorems. And it was almost exclusively applied to fixed bodies rather than moving bodies...

      So it would be like publishing a paper called "on datastructures" if you were the person that invented datastructures....

  2. Racist title by Fjornir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I can't believe slashdot would run a story with that title. "Perelman May Have Solved Poincare Conjecture" would have been much more dignified. You would never see "Muppet May Have Solved Poincare Conjecture" would you? Please, Perelman is a mathematician first, Russian second.

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  3. tr/Russian/Grigori Perelman/ ..? by etheriel · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Why doesn't this article's title read:

    "Grigori Perelman May Have Solved Poincare Conjecture"

    I've noticed that these kinds of announcements often make a point of appending a nationality to the name of the person involved in the discovery. Surely this proof builds on mathematical knowledge from around the world. Or was Grigori Perelman standing solely on the shoulders of "fellow Russian" mathematicians? I highly doubt it...

  4. Re:Poincare Conjecture link sucks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's very easy. A rubber band around a sphere can slide along the surface so that the circle it forms becomes smaller and smaller, until it converges into a point. But if a rubber band is wrapped around a torus (doughnut) like a link in a chain (so that it goes through the hole in the doughnut), you can't slide it along the surface to make it any smaller than the cross-section of the torus nor can you detach it without cutting the band or the pastry.

    The Poincare Conjecture involves hypothetical 4-dimensional shapes with the same properties, and isn't very easy.

  5. some terminology by njj · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I'll try and explain what the Conjecture is, because it's not entirely obvious. First of all, I need to explain what the 3-sphere is.

    The n-sphere (which mathematicians generally denote by S^n) can be thought of as `all points in (n+1)-dimensional space which are at unit distance from the origin'. So S^2 is the surface of a solid 3-dimensional ball. This sometimes surprises people, who expect this to be S^3 but the key observation here is that the 2 refers to the intrinsic dimension of the object, rather than the extrinsic dimension of any space you might happen to put (`embed') the object in. The fact that we often think of the 2-sphere as being embedded in 3-dimensional space doesn't change the fact that it's inherently a 2-dimensional object. An ant wandering around on it still only has two degrees of freedom.

    The 3-sphere (S^3) locally looks like ordinary, flat, Euclidean 3-space, but on a larger scale it kind of doubles back on itself - if you keep walking (or floating) in a `straight line' (well, actually the 3-dimensional analogue of a `great circle', but never mind) in any direction, then you'll eventually get back to where you started.

    The Poincaré Conjecture says

    Any homotopy 3-sphere is homeomorphic to the 3-sphere

    This, by itself, isn't particularly enlightening to the non-topologist, but what it actually boils down to is:

    Any closed, compact, simply-connected 3-manifold is homeomorphic to the 3-sphere

    What does this mean?

    Well, an `n-manifold' is a space which locally looks like ordinary, flat, Euclidean n-dimensional space. So a 3-manifold is a space (like S^3) which locally looks like ordinary 3-space (but which might twist back on itself in a peculiar way on a larger scale).
    `Closed' means that the 3-manifold doesn't have a boundary - no matter how far you walk, you're not going to run into a brick wall, or fall off the end. `Compact' is a bit more technical, but in this context essentially means you don't get odd shooting-off-to-infinity stuff you have to deal with.

    And `simply-connected' means that the first homotopy group (the `fundamental group' of the space) is trivial. What that means is that any closed loop (of string, if you like), in the manifold, can be continuously shrunk down to a point. Here `continuous' means that you're not allowed to cut or glue the string while you're doing it.

    To use a 2-dimensional analogy, the 2-sphere (the surface of the 3-dimensional ball, remember, or alternatively a British doughnut) is simply-connected, because given any closed loop in the surface, you can shrink it down to a point without it getting snagged on anything. Whereas the 2-torus (the surface of an American doughnut) isn't, because you can't shrink all closed loops down to a point - one which goes all the way round the central hole, for example, can't be shrunk.

    Finally, `homeomorphic' is basically a technical word for `topologically equivalent' - we allow continuous deformations (stretching, twisting, etc, but not cutting or pasting), rotations, reflections, or any combination of these.

    So, the (classical) Poincaré Conjecture is essentially a technical way of saying ``If it looks like a 3-sphere then, basically, it is''. (For certain definitions of `is', and `looks like'.)

    The analogous conjecture in n-dimensional space is known to be true for n=1 (trivial), 2 (pretty simple), and 5 and above (the 5-dimensional case was proved by Zeeman, who is my PhD grandsupervisor - my supervisor was one of his students). The 4-dimensional case is weird, and there are three different forms to consider - the `piecewise linear' and `topological' cases have been proved, but the `smooth' case is still unproven.

    As I understand it, what Perelman claims to have done is prove Thurston's Geometrisation Conjecture, which implies the Poincaré Conjecture as a special case - rather lik