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Daily Electoral Predictions

Robin Berjon writes " If you are both a political junkie and a statistics addict, I highly recommend Electoral Vote Predictor 2004, a site that gathers a collates polls taken in individual US states according to a well-documented method and uses that to generate a daily map and victory prediction, alongside a short and insightful analysis of the current trend. The site also includes a wealth of information for past maps, detailed tables, tools, links, the Senate elections, and much more. It also has a convenient RSS feed so you can get your daily fix."

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  1. Re:We need popular votes to count! by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Especially since if we could just make it secure, computer tabulation of votes during the month long election could give us a real time look at the election (most people don't realize this, but due to universal mail in voting my home state of Oregon can have ballots turned in, but not counted, as early as October 6th if the mail delivery is on time).

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  2. Another (Similar) Site by Dr.+Bent · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nice link.

    I also like Rasmussen Reports.

  3. TradeSports.com Electoral Projection by gengee · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Also checkout this site which displays an electoral map/vote projection based on contract prices scraped from TradeSports.com/InTrade.

    TradeSports.com is an online gaming site which sells contracts for all sorts of assertions: from sports betting, to political election outcomes. Some of the most actively traded contracts on TradeSports.com are related to the U.S. Presidential Election.

    The site above scrapes the average bid price data from each of the state-by-state contracts for the assertion "George W. Bush to win the November 2004 Election."

    A winning contract pays $USD 10, and a point costs $0.10. Thus, it can be assumed that a bid price > 50 indicates that the TradeSports.com market believes George W. Bush will win the election in that state, while a bid price below 50 indicates a win for John Kerry.

    If you don't like the default rulesets (Bid prices between 45-55 unprojected; projection made with the bid price rather than the ask price; etc), the site allows you to configure your own parameters.

    The state-by-state contracts trade rather thinly -- usually, only a few hundred dollars a day -- so take day-to-day movements with a grain of salt. The total size of the market is quite large, however -- totalling just under $1 million when all the states are combined. The site currently projects a win for George W. Bush, with 284 electoral votes.

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  4. I'd say the polling methods have a basic flaw by Skyshadow · · Score: 4, Interesting
    My guess is that the polling folks will spend the week after the election going around the talk-show circuit explaining how their polls managed to be so wrong.

    Pretty much all the polls we see are of "likely voters", a group which is made up mostly (or entirely) on the people who voted in the last election. This may be a useful measure in the average election, but not this one.

    The 2004 election will have a much, much higher turnout than 2000. In 2000, it didn't seem to matter a whole lot who got elected. In 2004, most everyone knows someone who has lost their job and/or knows someone in Iraq. A lot of people are still genuinely angry about Florida's lack of concern for voting rights or even following their own laws. At the same time, Bush hasn't given his more casual supporters a reason to come vote for him -- the best they've managed to do is spread a bunch of half-truth (or outright lying) reasons why they *shouldn't* vote for Kerry.

    More new voters have already registered for this election than any other since 1992. That should tell you something, and logically it doesn't seem like good news for Bush if these polls are showing a close race...

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  5. Yes, so vote fraud can blanket the nation by MerlynEmrys67 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    So now instead of isolating the effect of voter fraud to a small number of electorial votes - you propogate it across the whole nation. Lets assume I live in a mythical windy city, where a certain party controls the electorial process so tightly that votes can be created, destroyed, and even the dead get to vote for a party.

    Now instead of only affecting the electorial votes of a mythical state called Lincoln, it can effect the whole country. So rather than only create enough votes for the party in favor to win the state, I just create enough votes to throw the election for the whole country.

    That said - there are allegations that this has happened in the past in two states so that a certain young senator could be elected president. The only difference is that the big bad nominee for the other party decided to wait his turn to come, rather than going to the supreme court to try to get the election overturned

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  6. Not archaic by hey! · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The system is not archaic, in the sense that it does not serve the function which it was created to do. For better or worse, the founders decided that the unity of the country was a higher priority than strict popular power, and so a deal was struck that gave small states proportionately more power. Obviously, it raises the possibility of a candidate winning while losing the popular vote (or at least the votes of the most populous states), otherwise the founders would have specified popular elections (or electors numbered in proportion to state population, which is not the same thing, but is closer in spirit).

    The system last time did in my opinion do one thing that is extremely important in an electoral system: produce a clearly legally legitimate winner. Maybe there was skullduggery in FL, but the way the system works is that it is the electoral college that matters. Once the elector casts his vote, that's it. If the criterion was constitutionally that a plurality had to be won in FL, we'd still be arguing over the legitimacy of the Bush presidency.

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  7. Re:We need popular votes to count! by swillden · · Score: 2, Interesting

    True, this is an inherent problem in a winner-takes-all powerful-executive style of government. We really need a weaker executive branch.

    Hear! Hear!

    This is the *right* fix to the problem of people feeling like they're un-empowered in the presidential election. That feeling is actually a symptom of the fact that nearly all governmental power has migrated to the Federal level, which is simply too far removed from the average person. A strict popular election won't change that. Other election styles, or representative governments, etc., are other band-aids often proposed.

    Nope, what we need to do is pare the Federal government back and shift the power back to the states (and then work on returning what the states have taken from counties and municipalities to fill the vacuum). About all it would take to make it all happen is to repeal the 16th and 17th amendments -- that's clearly a pipe dream, though.

    Even without going that far, reducing the influence of the Federal government and moving the control and money back to more local levels will do far more to give the average voter a voice than getting rid of the Electoral College. What I think would be really interesting is that it would also allow different states to adopt significantly different styles of government, and allow people to choose greater or lesser degrees of government influence by voting with their feet, without having to change citizenship, learn a new language, new culture, etc. That would be an interesting experiment.

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