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NASA Recovers Genesis

zjango writes "CNN carrying this... 'The Genesis capsule which crashed in the Utah desert Wednesday has been lifted out of its impact crater and moved to a holding area, NASA reported on its Web site. Scientists were cautiously optimistic that the payload -- dozens of fragile tiles that had collected particles of the solar wind for about two years -- could still yield viable material.'"

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  1. Great news.... maybe. by keiferb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I had the pleasure(?) of being off on a sick day yesterday, so I was able to watch the landing live. I felt terrible when the thing hit, I can only imagine what the folks who've been involved with this thing for several years must have felt. It'd be great to see something useful come out of the whole project.

    1. Re:Great news.... maybe. by Randolpho · · Score: 2, Funny

      Heh... it's kinda like when you miss the game and your favorite team loses. It's all your fault because you weren't there to cheer them on!

      YOU JINX!!! You broke Genesis! It was planet forbidden!!!! ;)

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  2. Quarantine. by torpor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Yes, I understand the 'contamination of the valuable samples' issue, but what about the other angle - that of quarantining Earths valuable ecosphere from whatever particles were floating out there in the Solar Winds?

    Are we really absolutely sure that there's nothing on those plates, awfully petri-dish'y to me, which doesn't eat gold or platinum or carbon ferociously, has not been able to survive gravity/atmosphere so well, but which we just gave a free ride down here to a land of milk and honey?

    Well, I guess not. Otherwise we wouldn't be doing the science, right, to find out whats up there?

    Yeah, the Andromeda Strain puns were rampant, but now, 24 hours later, have we really thought enough about our return-to-earth of foreign space particles?

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    1. Re:Quarantine. by Otter · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's not like the probe went through some Star Trek-ish continuum rift. If there were something like that out there, not all that far away, it would have hitched a ride down on a meteorite a billion years ago.

    2. Re:Quarantine. by bcattwoo · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just to be safe, send all your gold and platinum possessions to me for safe keeping.

  3. 3 posts from sci.space.news by noselasd · · Score: 3, Informative

    MEDIA RELATIONS OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE F TECHNOLOGY
    NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIF. 91109 TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011 DC Agle (818) 393-9011
    Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

    Donald Savage (202) 358-1547
    NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C.

    RELEASE: 2004-219 September 8, 2004

    Genesis Mission Status Report

    The Genesis sample return capsule entered Earth's atmosphere at
    9:52:47 a.m. Mountain Daylight Time and entered the preplanned entry
    ellipse in the Utah Test and Training Range as predicted. However, the
    Genesis capsule, as a result of its parachute not deploying, impacted
    the ground at a speed of 311 kilometers per hour (193 miles per hour).
    The impact occurred near Granite Peak on a remote portion of the
    range. No people or structures were anywhere near the area.

    "We have the capsule," said Genesis project manager Don Sweetnam of
    NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "It is on the
    ground. We have previously written procedures and tools at our
    disposal for such an event. We are beginning capsule recovery
    operations at this time."

    By the time the capsule entered Earth's atmosphere, the flight crews
    tasked to capture Genesis were already in the air. Once it was
    confirmed the capsule touched down out on the range, the flight crews
    were guided toward the site to initiate a previously developed
    contingency plan. They landed close to the capsule and, per the plan,
    began to document the capsule and the area.

    "For the velocity of the impact, I thought there was surprisingly
    little damage," said Roy Haggard of Vertigo Inc., Lake Elsinore,
    Calif., who took part in the initial reconnaissance of the capsule. "I
    observed the capsule penetrated the soil about 50 percent of its
    diameter. The shell had been breached about three inches and I could
    see the science canister inside and that also appeared to have a small
    breach," he said.

    The safety of recovery personnel has been the top priority. The
    capsule's separation charge had to be confirmed safe before the
    capsule could be moved. The recovery team is in the process of preparing to move the capsule to a clean room.

    The Genesis mission was launched in August 2001 on a journey to
    capture samples from the storehouse of 99 percent of all the material
    in our solar system -- the Sun. The samples of solar wind particles,
    collected on ultra-pure wafers of gold, sapphire, silicon and diamond,
    were designed to be returned for analysis by Earth-bound scientists.

    JPL manages the Genesis mission for NASA's Science Mission
    Directorate, Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver,
    developed and operated the spacecraft. JPL is a division of the
    California Institute of Technology.

    For information about the Genesis Sample Return Mission on the
    Internet, visit http://jpl.convio.net/site/R?i=CPQk9GcuEylO-3BCLCX xIg.. . For background information about Genesis, visit http://jpl.convio.net/site/R?i=Cu7MSKOwBElO-3BCLCX xIg.. .

    MEDIA RELATIONS OFFICE JET PROPULSION LABORATORY CALIFORNIA INSTITUTE F TECHNOLOGY
    NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION PASADENA, CALIF. 91109 TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011 DC Agle (818) 393-9011
    Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.

    Donald Savage (202) 358-1547
    NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C.

    RELEASE: 2004-221 September 8, 2004

    Genesis Mission Status: Canister Moved Into Cleanroom

    The science canister from the Genesis mission was moved into the
    cleanroom at the U.S. Army Dugway Proving Ground in Utah early
    Wednesday evening. First, a team of specialists plucked pieces
    of dirt and mud that had lodged in the canister after the mission's
    sample return capsule landed at high speed in the Utah desert. The
    Genesis team will begin examining the contents of the canister

  4. Pyros never triggered by Somegeek · · Score: 5, Informative
    New Scientist is reporting that the pyros never went off to trigger the parachute sequence. NASA doesn't know yet why they didn't go off; batteries, sensors and the electronics responsible are being looked at as possible causes.

    http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns999 96379

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  5. Another CNN Story, More Pictures by AndyCampbell · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's another CNN story with a few more pictures of the capsule after being recovered and brought back to a hangar.

  6. Sorry to burst your bubble by Royster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But particles from the solar wind interact with and penetrate the Earth's atmosphere and have been doing so for billions of years. Perhaps you need to modify your tinfoil hat to include a mask and rebreather device so that you can be safe from those alien particles.

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    1. Re:Sorry to burst your bubble by Royster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There's no real mystery about chemical reactions and which reactions are exothermic and can provide energy for creatures to use. We know this stuff. If creatures could get energy from raw ores, they would already have evolved on the earth's surface to take advantage of that energy source. We do have some bacteria which can reduce sulfur and emit sulfur hydrides (rotten eggs smell) but those all mostly working off sulfur which is not in its lowest energy state. These occur where geothermic activity brings heat to underground rocks and raises the energy state of the sulfur present making some of that energy available for organisms to use.

      Minerals found in naturally occurring ores are already at a low energy state. There isn't anywhere else for them to go. There isn't going to be some magical space beastie which can create a new, not found in nature, energy states for minerals itself to exploit to our grqave detriment.

      Your fears are science fiction, not science.

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    2. Re:Sorry to burst your bubble by torpor · · Score: 2, Funny

      Your fears are science fiction, not science.

      okay, if you say so, fine by me. don't blame me if this statement ends up in a .sig file, or scraped on a cave wall somewhere, but ...

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  7. This just in... by MasterDirk · · Score: 5, Funny
    Preliminary research on the materials recovered from the probe lead scientists to conclude that the sun is indeed composed mainly of sand and broken glass.
    </badjoke>
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  8. Re:Are we sure it was an accident? by wetlettuce · · Score: 2, Funny

    Big deal, Europe MISSED MARS two times out of four.
    Technically, the last time the landing craft (Beagle-2) actually landed on Mars...just a little quicker than planned. If fact almost exactly the same as the Genesis payload except there was no-one to dig it out.

  9. Re:Are we sure it was an accident? by Ayaress · · Score: 2, Informative

    Speaking of Beagle, Genesis and Beagle were both designed in part by the same guy.