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TiVo, ReplayTV Agree to Limits

Grump writes "This story reports that 'The makers of TiVo and ReplayTV digital video recorders have agreed to limit how long consumers can keep pay-for-view movies stored on future versions of the VCR-like devices.' Is this fair, or erosion of more fair-use rights?"

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  1. On other news by Guiri · · Score: 5, Informative
    MythTV 0.16 has been released today.

    Enjoy!

  2. Re:TiVo Limits by crow · · Score: 4, Informative

    Or in my case, we recorded "24" on our ReplayTV and didn't start watching the second season until we had the whole season. We've had other shows on there over a year because we just hadn't gotten around to watching them. Time limits defeat the whole purpose of a PVR.

  3. Re:The old Yardstick by damiangerous · · Score: 4, Informative

    Never fear, every episode of Max Headroom but one (and it's coming) is available for download from the Digital Archive Project.

  4. Do people use TIVO to *store* videos? by SamNmaX · · Score: 5, Informative
    I've been using a MythTV setup for quite a while now, and I've been using it as anyone would expect me to, to record my shows so I can watch them at a later time. While certainly it is possible for me to store the videos for later viewing, I don't, simply because there is rarely much point in doing so, even with movies.

    I think perhaps television companies are failing to see the true positives and negatives of these systems. Their true problem is not that people will turn their TIVO into a movie library (hence filling it to the point where they won't have any more space), but that they will skip commercials. The most likely response to this, besides desperate legislation, is to build more and more advertising into the shows themselves. Whether this is a good or bad scenerio, I don't know. It means less time wasted with commercials, but content becoming much more controlled.

    The positives of these systems is there is no longer a 'prime time'. Once these systems are wide spread, you can schedule shows at any time, including the middle of the night, and people who want to watch them can.

    As for Tivo and Replays "solution" here, well, not being able to keep pay-per-view stuff forever isn't so bad, though I'll stick with my MythTV box which I have total control over. The bad part of this is that this isn't likely to be the only restriction but the start of many restrictions which will further erode the usefulness of these systems, and even worse, the coming of new laws that would likely have made systems like Tivo illegal in the first place if they came a little earlier.

  5. Re:Right. by Mr+Guy · · Score: 5, Informative

    You mean like Knoppmyth?

  6. Re:Bastards.. by ePhil_One · · Score: 5, Informative
    No, Make that -5 Tinfoil Hat Club

    from the grandparent...
    These two competitors have agreed on a completely arbitrary limit for recording PPV shows. Why? Think about it: the PVR market is growing. Rather than focusing on new features for the consumer (ie:...) they've come to an agreement that is good for no one but themselves. There's no way in hell that they just decided to do this, the entire agreement has the fetid stink of collusion.

    Get a clue, this "feature" is good for no one but the movie industry. My Tivo already keeps PPV movies as long as a choose to, as does a ReplayTV. It sure as heck isn't good for Tivo/ReplayTV.

    They now have to differentiate and tag PPV content vs other content

    They have to deal with more support calls ("My show is gone, even though I set Save until I delete")

    They get put in a situation where old code/hardware is percieved as "better" than new code/hardware

    This isn't collusion, this is concession. And it sucks, because if I use a VCR to record my PPV movies, I face no such restrictions. Fortunately, I don't ever buy PPV movies, but this begins a long slide where soon all content will be forcibly expired off my Tivo because Seinfeld's owners don't want me to watch the "Soup Nazi" episode at will. Which is foolish because the trick of Tivo is that I watch MORE TV now that I can always find something I want to watch, and I'm more likely to fast forward through a show than the commercials, because these days I'm amazed at the amount of crap that fills the "program" time; title segments, recaps, slow pans to establish location, end credits, watching guests walk accross stage and waiting for applause to die down, etc, etc.

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  7. Re:Right. by 14erCleaner · · Score: 4, Informative
    KnoppMyth looks like the right idea, but it includes this gem in the installation instructions:

    Note: You'll still need to edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 to change the refresh rate or you CAN destroy your TV.

    I'd say it still needs a little work before releasing it to the unwashed masses...

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