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PayPal to Fine Gambling, Porn Sites
scubacuda writes "Yahoo! reports that PayPal is taking an aggressive stance against gambling, adult, and non-prescription drug sites: anyone caught using PayPal for these purposes will be charged $500. Eric Jackson, a former PayPal executive and author of the new book 'The PayPal Wars,' calls the new policy 'draconian' and says it is likely a two-fold strategy to discourage certain behavior while heading off regulators."
What right does paypal have to fine people. If its against the terms of service they could shut down the offending account, but fine them?
Being someone who does online sports betting, PayPal cut us out a little over 2 years ago.
But it was a practical, not moral cut in my opinion.
The fact of the matter is that in the gambling, adult and I suppose the drug business, you get way too many people who purchase the "product" and then get buyers remorse, and raise all kinds of hell at the card provider, saying it was never them but nefarious internet hooligans who gambled with their Paypal account, or bought that porn subscription to Fatchicks.com.
It became so bad at least in the gambling world that Paypal said the hell with it, and left. Now we have similar providers, but more personal responsibility, too. I actually like it that way.
PayPal's outdated. They're on a social engineering crusade.
Use e-gold instead.
However PayPal is actually fining the PayPal user, not the sites.
Should read: PayPal to Fine Users for Gambling, Porn Sites
Private companies are subject to the consumer. If consumers turn away from PayPal because they see it as a "sinful" company, then PayPal will have to make changes. Perhaps PayPal has received a fair number of suggestions and/or seen a drop in sales recently that have been attributed to their adult-industry clients, and as a result they have decided to drop-kick those companies from the PayPal database.
The Political Programmer
Actually, even if they have legal title, you still have equitable title.
So, PayPal holds your money in a Trust.
So, normal Trust Law rules apply.
With the caviet that you told them what they could do with your money when you signed the "Terms of Service" contract.
Anything that resizes my browser window automatically gets a /dev/IGNORE entry from me.
Man I hate that... not to mention the ads and pop-ups.
Anyone who has said something like that is a mindless slashdot troll who doesn't know anything about 3rd party processing or merchant accounts. Most merchant account providers have banned adult sites and gambling for years because they are High Risk Industries
Ah, so they want the easy part of the business but not the hard part. I can understand that.
But in turn, I think we need to ask if Paypal is a monopoly. Just how much of all e-commerce passes through paypal? How much of the under $100 market? How much of the person-to-person market? I wouldn't be suprised if paypal had acheived monopoly status in at least one of those markets.
If they are a monopoly, having successfully squeezed out competition, only to begin with-holding sevices, they need a kick in the ass from the FTC because that's abusive.
By the way, it has already been pointed out once so far, and that post got a +5 rating, but the point really needs a +11 rating.
PAYPAL IS FINING THE CUSTOMERS TOO!!
So, if there ever was a time make sure that you had a dummy, empty bank account linked to your paypal account, now is it. All you need is for paypal to arbitrarily decide that you are the kind of customer that they don't want, and poof! there goes $500 from your bank account that you will probably never see again. Maybe even multiples of $500 depending on just how much customer abuse paypal thinks they can get away with since they are unregulated.
When information is power, privacy is freedom.
Lest people think that these days porn is half the net... it always was, and in a sense you could argue pr0n drove the development of the net like any good student of the human animal would assume it would.
Until 1995 the UUCP network had more nodes than the TCP/IP connected internet. What did the UUCP network carry? News and mail. That's it. That's all you could do with UUCP (modulo some half baked ftp by mail schemes). Before uu.net became the first commercial backbone, UUCP traffic was shuttled site to site by "some guy you knew" who gave you a feed, and at either 1200 or 2400 baud (no, I'm not kidding) but when uu.net came out you could BUY a DECENT feed and by Dod use Telebit Trailblazer modems at 19.2K. But who would pay $400 a month to get usenet?
Engineering managers addicted to porn, that's who. "We need it for technical reasons. We cannot do our work without it" always worked. As long as we found them porn, they'd pay for talk.bizarre.
Having created alt.sex by mistake one day I really think uunet's Rick Adams, uunet's founder, should have given me some sort of profit sharing.
Oh well, that's how you can tell internet pioneers, they're the ones with the arrows in their feet.
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