Slashdot Mirror


Batteries For Your Pen And Paper?

An anonymous reader writes "We've been hearing about the paperless office for years now, but we never seem to get any nearer to that environmentally friendly nirvana. It's just too easy to jot things down on a piece of paper, far easier than using a PDA. So maybe a digital pen and paper is the answer? The people at Pegasus, inventor of the Mobile NoteTaker certainly think so. Unfortunately, the guy who reviewed the NoteTaker thinks otherwise."

11 of 120 comments (clear)

  1. Another solution... by erick99 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    ...in search of a problem. I don't know what will replace pen & paper but it will be a huge paradigm shift and not just an electroninc similie of writing.

    Cheers,

    Erick

    --
    http://www.busyweather.com/
  2. What's the sense in digital pen/paper- by thewldisntenuff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I mean, who's going to use digital when a Bic and a Sticky....How does one transfer digital notes to your mother/spouse/friend?

    This will become about as widespread as MS BOB :)

    -thewldisntenuff

  3. Environmentally friendly? by tajmorton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Environmentally friendly? Creating batteries, pens, and producing resistors are not environmentally friendly...I'm not sure what they really mean. Can anybody explain?

    --
    Tell the truth and you won't have so much to remember.
    1. Re:Environmentally friendly? by Oligonicella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Can anybody explain?"

      Sure. The moron environmentalist are those who can see no further than the very, very immediate circumstance.

      In this case:
      They assume they have the device.
      They assume said device had no environmental impact.
      They assume that because paper is made from plant fiber, it's bad.
      They assume that the use of paper notes -- in toto -- will be worse than the use of technology -- in toto.

      See? Simply. Just don't think past the moment

      Note to the hippy disparagers. The author of the comment is apparently a techie. Environmental idiots come in all stripes.

  4. It's a caponised PDA! by argent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You can get smaller, lighter, and easier to use PDAs with a better screen for that kind of money. And they can also serve as handwriting capture devices if that's what you want. If someone had shown me this gadget and asked me to guess how much it cost, I'd have been off by a factor of 10, because it looks comparable to the Palm knock-offs Royal was selling for $50 four years ago... and I'm sure you can buy equivalents for $15-$20 today.

    Yeesh. The problem here isn't that digital note taking as a problem, it's that Pegasus is charging ten times what it's worth (or, alternatively, doing ten times less than they should for the money they charge).

  5. Re:um, digital pen and paper? been done before.. by admiralfrijole · · Score: 2, Insightful
    ok, well, its not the same at all.

    thats what i get for not reading the article first :p

    --
    e to the pi i plus one equals zero
  6. Paperless office... by ImaLamer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The paperless office will, like privatized Social Security, never happen.

    Not that it can't work, it just won't happen. Many years ago Xerox was hearing this new "buzzword" paperless office so much they decided to do something. They took a bunch of guys and sent them down to Palo Alto and told them to come back with this paperless office.

    Well, they went down there and developed a number of things, Ethernet and GUI's being among the new things, and brought it back to show their bosses.

    Once the head guys saw it they said: "No one will use this!".

    Of course they were partly wrong, but partly right. Of course we use GUI's and Ethernet, but still no paperless office. And that "Office of the Future" was developed in 1970. 34 years later and we have no paperless office.

    Why? It isn't feasible. As more computers go into the office, it seems to me that more paperwork is needed... just to take care of those computers.

    Electronics are "earth friendly" either, so that isn't a good reason to ditch paper and pen. Trees for pencils and paper are usually grown on farms or their replacements planted immediately -- not so easy to replace the heavy metals sometimes used in electronics.

    Plus... dumping paper in China isn't likely to kill their citizens like computer equipment dumped there does. (But as long as China takes the check for dumping services, that is partly their fault)

    1. Re:Paperless office... by rtaylor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And the dirty little secret is that paper recycling is actually WORSE for the environment than harvesting newgrowth, but nobody wants to believe that in the face of the facts (which I haven't linked to here).

      I would love to see them. I know that the local recycling program for paper saves about $60 per ton over standard disposal techniques despite having higher expenses. The reason is that recyclers are buying up the paper for more than the difference in costs (landfill vs. recycling program -- sorting for recycling is not cheap).

      I suppose my question would be why are they buying used paper for the purpose of recycling it, when they could simply get regular ol' trees?

      Somewhere along the line there is must be a significant energy or manpower expense.

      I would place my bets that the studies you did not refer to don't include the full trail -- like shipping of the materials hundreds of kilometers.

      --
      Rod Taylor
  7. Doomed to fail by InternationalCow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    For note taking (and book reading, by the way), we humans like something that falls within the realm of experiences that we evolved to deal with. Scratching with a pen on paper, which generates tactile stimuli and visual ones, seems to fit the bill nicely since we all are apt to do this (Post-It notes, anyone?). So, until we have e-paper that can be maltreated just like r-paper (real paper) with an e-pen that can be handled like an r-pen, all digital note taking technologies are going to fail. It should be clear by now that it is almost impossible to mould people into a particular technology. If you don't believe me, then why is you monitor full of post-it notes?

    --
    ----- One learns to itch where one can scratch.
  8. old idea needs new innovation by mmmmmhotpants · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Digital paper and pens will not be practical until you can write a note on your office desk and it can effortlessly and instantly appear on your home kitchen fridge.

    These ideas of ubiquitous computing were postulated over 20 years ago (perhaps by Xerox?) and we are not much closer to making this a reality.

    --

    can't sleep. clowns will eat me.
  9. I don't see a bridge tech here... by Chuqmystr · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I just don't get this idea at all. It's been tried a few times - other posters mentioned specifics and I've seen the products as well and imediately lost interest when I figured it out.

    In the article he writes Pegasus thinks they've found a bridging technolgy or something to that effect. I've seen similar writtings in the market spins of other similar products. All I see is someone getting tired of clipping the little reader on their notepad/having to carry around another gizmo/screwing around with inevitably buggy winbloze only software, loosing the reader in the dark recesses of their desk drawer and then using the fancy reader/ink pen on conventional stickies, legal pads and Franklins. All I see this ultimately doing is driving away more would-be converts. I hate this family of devices and I've never even played with one. As for importing hand written or drawn works we've had plenty of ways to do that for some time now. That's the way to market these things. Take a look at Nokia's Bluetooth pen. I read about it some time ago and if memory serves me right that's the spin they used. And yes, I'm too lazy to link ;-)

    My suggestions? Well, the writter already listed some and I'm preaching to the choir. Perhaps if I was writting this with some snazy digital pen... Instant on. NO BOOT TIME! most PDA's have this already fairly well. Perhaps putting something in there wherein the PDA "knows" you want to just start jotting things down. I.E. when the status comes near the screen the unit wakes up and an input panel opens. I'd say the UI should allow for immediate input, preferably via fast, accurate and trainable handwritting recognition, and have say a small toolbar at the bottom. One would first jot down whatever it was and then hit the tool to file it under, eg contact, freehand/drawing, etc. Let's take that one step further and start parsing that input once the app is started so that say if it was a contact the app could try and sort it out. Perl anyone? Who wants to donate one of those new Zauri to me so I can get started hacking this together? ;-)

    Other things I would do would be to keep the instant-on app launching buttons Palm has. That's truly useful. Those should also launch straight into the app screen and not the jot screen I mentioned. More cellphone integration or better yet let's retry the cellphone module, a.k.a Visor springboard. SDIO GSM/CDMA phonecard with a BT headset anyone? I like that new S/E headset with the small cord and lapel clip display. How about just getting more simple cellphones out there with BT or WiFi and getting the nice PDA's with both below that $450 barrier? $299 seems better and just loose some of the fat. And would someone please get it into M$'s head that a PDA UI need NOT look and work like fscking Windows? Clicking down three to five layers to get to a hand writting app is just fucking stupid. Finally, if the physical pen tip to screen interface could be made better that would help. If someone would come up with the just right combination of screen surface and pen tip that would help. I'd also bet that focusing more on using landscape orientation for handwritting and perhaps some well thought out auto-scrolling as one writes on the virtual paper might be a nice touch. Once again, send me that Linuxed-up Zaurus you don't really need and I'll get right to work on it ;-)