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Antarctic Telescope?

angkor pastes "'A novel Antarctic telescope with 16-m diameter mirrors would far outperform the Hubble Space Telescope, and could be built at a tiny fraction of its cost, says a scientist from the Anglo-Australian Observatory in Sydney, Australia.'"

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  1. But... by kdougherty · · Score: 5, Informative

    Would this telescope be as beneficial as the Hubble considering the Hubble isn't attached to any surface and can freely move in space... This Antartic version would have limited viewing capabilities, so which would you rather have?

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  2. You Mean Dome C? by BSDevil · · Score: 4, Informative

    See more about this site (and the AASTINO, the Little Telescope That Could) at Wednesday's Story

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  3. Re:Press Release... funding by at_18 · · Score: 4, Informative

    'Software' algorithms could compensate for the effects of the atmosphere. (probably by using data gather by Hubble)

    No, you use Adaptive optics. Antarctica is particolarly good because the atmosphere effects are small, so the adaptive optics works very well.

  4. Re:Some limitations: by Michael+Ashley · · Score: 5, Informative

    When the sun is up (summertime) you can observe in the infrared and submillimeter. Hubble's observing efficiency is about 50% due to the requirement to avoid the Earth, the South Atlantic Anomaly, slew time, etc.

    The limitation is sky coverage is not important for many astronomical programs. Important regions such as the Galactic Center, the Magellanic Clouds, and the South Galactic Pole, are all visible.

  5. Pros and cons by Michael+Woodhams · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm an ex-astronomer, so I'll comment on this.

    The optical arangement is unlike any I've seen before or heard of. I don't have the expertise or the information to comment on whether it will really work. I'll just comment that making optically flat mirrors was very hard (much harder than the normal curved mirrors) last time I heard, but there might be new technology to help here.

    There are basically three competing locations: space, Antarctica, somewhere else on Earth. There is an order of magnitude or more in accessibility and cost between each option.

    Space:
    Pro:
    Access to the full range of wavelengths - no atmospheric absorption or emission. (Particularly useful in UV and IR.)
    No atmospheric bluring - diffraction limited resolution at all wavelengths
    Can observe almost any part of the sky at any time.
    Con:
    Hugely expensive
    Very inaccessible - service missions are either impossible or cost hundreds of millions or more
    Size limitations on launch - either the telescope is smallish (Hubble) or needs even more expense to 'unfold' in orbit (new generation space telescope).
    Very hostile environment: cold on one side, hot on another, radiation belts, ...

    Antarctica:
    Pro:
    Access to wavelengths difficult or impossible to access elsewhere on Earth (mostly mid to far IR. The ozone hole presumably helps out in UV also.)
    Best seeing on the planet: very little atmospheric blur much of the time.
    Con:
    Can only ever view half the sky
    Unusable during summer
    Very expensive
    Poor accesibility: Only during summer, only at great expense.
    Hostile environment: extreme cold. Possible build up of ice by sublimation deposition.

    Anywhere else:
    Pro:
    Cheapest
    Daily access, can drive a truck up to the telescope
    Can have astronomers on site, e.g. debugging new detectors
    Can see the northern hemisphere
    Con:
    Poor seeing
    Many interesting wavelengths inaccessible or hard to observe
    Unusable during the day

    We need all three - space for what we can't do on Earth, Antarctica for what we can't do elsewhere (except space, which costs more). Whether the telescope described (very briefly...) in the article is sensible I couldn't say, nor could I say whether it makes sense to use Dome C rather than the more accessible, and manned, south pole base.

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  6. Re:Outperform? by djmurdoch · · Score: 4, Informative

    The article from a few days ago about seeing at Dome C explains this: they get very, very little snowfall there. However, they do get blown ice crystals, but not very many at the proposed location. The linked article makes great reading.

  7. ESO's big telescope already in operation... by SeniorDingDong · · Score: 4, Informative
    The VLT and in particular VLTI http://www.eso.org/ (I for interferometry) have been up and running for a while. In fact here's a quote about adaptive optics from 2001
    Normally, the achievable image sharpness of a ground-based telescope is limited by the effect of atmospheric turbulence. However, with the Adaptive Optics (AO) technique, this drawback can be overcome and the telescope produces images that are at the theoretical limit, i.e., as sharp as if it were in space.

    The site at Paranal have 4 8.5 meter telescopes and interferometry can can equate their imaging to the distance they stand apart.