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A Liquid That Turns Solid When Heated

Roland Piquepaille writes "There are some sure things in life, such as death and taxes. When you are heating a solid, you expect it will melt and when you're boiling water, you're pretty certain that it will turn into vapor. But what about a liquid that becomes solid when it's heated? Of course, it has already been done, for example in the chemical process of polymerization. But now, PhysicsWeb writes that a team of French physicists has discovered a law-breaking liquid that defies the rules. When you heat it between 45 and 75C, it becomes solid. But the process is fully reversible, and this is a world's premiere. When you decrease the temperature, this solid melts and turns again into a liquid. I'm not sure of the implications of such a phenomenon, but it's fascinating. Read more for essential details."

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  1. Breaks the laws of physics? by mike_lynn · · Score: 4, Informative

    Which law would this be? The one that says solids melt into liquids at higher temperatures? Oh wait, there is no such law - thanks to something called Sublimiation where solids go straight to a gas (like dry ice).

    This is not an example of a new found element with impossible thermal properties. This is an example of materials and molecular chemistry in action. This works because it follows the laws of physics.

  2. Re:Heat shield? by novakyu · · Score: 5, Informative
    I don't know much about physics, but could something like this be used as a heat shield of some kind? Like, where the shield is basically considered turned off when it is in the liquid state. Then when it hits a certain overload temperature, it turns to a solid and thus blocks (some of) the heat exchange?

    That would probably depend on the property of the solid that forms when the solution is heated (is it a good insulator? what are its structural properties?), but I can think of one related application: temperature-controlled switch.

    The solution is transparent to visible light, whereas the solid that forms is not. Since this process depends on the temperature and is reversible, it's very simple to design a circuit (using a LED and phototransistor or some sort of photo-detector) that works as temperature-dependent switch. From what the article says,

    The temperature at which it becomes a solid falls as the concentration of CD increases.

    it should be possible to tweak the turn-on temperature to a degree.

    But then, this is not anything new--as far as dependence on temperature goes, there are many other materials that are probably more reliable (the only thing novel about this would be that its dependence is backward.)

    Back to the topic, yeah, it can probably be used as heat shield in a limited capacity: i.e. if it turns out that the liquid is transparent to infrared radiation while the solid isn't, this can be used as natural temperature-controlled infrared radiation shield (but of course, it will still be subject to heating due to other methods, like...conduction via the solid itself, unless the resulting solid turns out to be similar to styroform).

  3. Re:Missing some info here by dat00ket · · Score: 4, Informative
    "At 0 degrees Kelvin, it's definitely a solid"

    I wouldn't be too sure about that.

    Bose-Einstein Condensate
    Superfluids

    First rule of physics: When you're dealing with extremes, things get funky.

  4. Re:Application: Construction of Skyscrapers by mtnharo · · Score: 4, Informative
    An interesting concept, but I think we would need to research it a bit more. From what I gather in the article, the solution turns solid when heated between 45-75C. Beyond that it probably either burns or melts again. Those temps are much too low to have any impact in a fire.

    Secondly, based on the types of compounds in the solution, and the description in the article, the "solid" is probably more of a waxy/jelly sort of substance.

    That said, your idea could be made to work in other cases. I wonder if maybe the substance could be altered for use as a variable damping material for suspension or acoustic purposes.

  5. Re:Cool by k98sven · · Score: 4, Informative

    Can someone explain the phrase 'sol-gel'? Does that mean that it become more like a gelatinous subject when heated instead of a more 'solid' solid?

    Sols aren't solids. A "sol" is a colloid solution, so is a gel. Without getting too deep into the chemistry, he's basically saying it's a gel.

    (Look up 'sol', 'gel', 'dispersion' and 'colloid' for more details)

  6. Re:I don't know chemistry by k98sven · · Score: 4, Informative

    cyclodextrin? Probably. It's starch.

    water? Definitely.

    4-methylpyridine? Probably causes cancer. Known to cause damage to the central nervous system. In simple words: Poision.

  7. Re:I'm not sure this is that new by HenryKoren · · Score: 4, Informative
    You are refering to the All Wheel Drive system produced for the VW Audi Group by Haldex

    From Haldex:

    The unit can be viewed as a hydraulic pump in which the housing and an annular piston are connected to one shaft and a piston actuator is connected to the other.

    The two shafts are connected via the wet multi-plate clutch pack, normally unloaded and thus transferring no torque between the shafts.

    When both shafts are rotating at the same speed, there is no pumping action. When a speed difference occurs, the pumping starts immediately to generate oil flow. It is a piston pump, so there is a virtually instant reaction with no low-speed pumping loss.

    The oil flows to a clutch piston, compressing the clutch pack and braking the speed difference between the axles. The oil returns to the reservoir via a controllable valve, which adjusts the oil pressure and the force on the clutch package.

    Something tells me having hydralic fluid that turns solid when it gets hot wouldn't help a system like this :-)
  8. Useful for cooling stuff. by gnalle · · Score: 4, Informative
    When the liquid melts, the heat of melting is taken from the vibrational energy, and thus the liquid is cooled by melting. I guess that this positive feedback mechanism would enable the liquid to melt fast whenever it is cooled below the melting point, and thus the new liquid should be very effective for cooling stuff very fast.

    To a physicist the phase diagram is interesting, because the solid/gel must have a larger entropy than the corresponding liquid. (Remember that you calculate equilibrium by minimizing the Gibbs energy G = H - TS).

    Anyway it has been known for many years that some triblock polymers form gels when heated, but perhaps the solid phase of this new liquid is "more solid". Perhaps the news is that the liquid has a larger enthalpy of melting. I don't know

  9. Re:I'm not sure this is that new by Afrosheen · · Score: 4, Informative

    You're talking about a standard 'wet' limited slip differential, or LSD. Wet LSD's have a viscous solution inside that, as the spider gears generate friction by spinning opposite directions, solidifies to unify power delivery from the driveshaft. An open differential allows wheels to spin at differing speeds, usually giving more power to the wheel that's spinning more freely. This is bad in racing. It's also bad for 4wd cars like the Subaru WRX or the Mitsubishi Evolution VIII. Both cars have LSD standard.

    The other type of LSD is a clutch-plate type. These can be adjusted for resistance to slippage by arranging the type and order of clutch plates in the LSD. A viscous LSD on the other hand is governed by the properties of the fluid, and is subject to failure under high loads (i.e. the liquid can only take so much friction before it breaks down and loses it's valuable properties). In general practice, for performance and cost, viscous LSD's are used, but for high performance, resilience, adjustability and durability, the clutch type LSD is preferable, but has a significantly higher cost.

    That's about all I know about LSD's.

  10. Re:Application: Construction of Skyscrapers by wash23 · · Score: 5, Informative

    It most certainly would melt again after 75C; it's just a hydrogen-bonded organic solid at that point, and hydrogen bonds are weak and only partially-covalent and would easily melt at moderate temperatures.