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There's a Fungus Among Us

EhobaX writes "BBC News reports, 'Swiss scientists have found what they say may be Europe's biggest mushroom - covering an area about the size of 35 football pitches.'"

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  1. The largest... by andreMA · · Score: 1

    ...is widely regarded as this (next to last paragraph of section I)

    1. Re:The largest... by cyfer2000 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I kicked all of the mushrooms I met, and I'd never think it is violent...

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    2. Re:The largest... by andreMA · · Score: 1, Informative
      I kicked all of the mushrooms I met, and I'd never think it is violent...
      No, but it's annoying to mushroom hunters...
    3. Re:The largest... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who stalk the ravenous mushroom through the undergrowth as it darts from tree to tree, and rears up to attack when finally cornered!

      Mushroom pickers are definitely on the "gatherer" side of hunter/gatherer!

  2. Enough for hobits by cyfer2000 · · Score: 1

    Ah... Large enough for the hobits I think. BTW, what's size of the largest mushroom in Asia, Africa and Oceania and South America? The mushrooms in Antarctic must be very small I guess.

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  3. The world's largest by spin2cool · · Score: 4, Informative

    is still found here in the USA, in eastern Oregon. It's the size of 1,665 football fields! More info here.

    My only surprise was that it wasn't in Texas. Aren't they supposed to do everything bigger?

    1. Re:The world's largest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      My only surprise was that it wasn't in Texas. Aren't they supposed to do everything bigger?

      Not everything. Just their egos.

    2. Re:The world's largest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "My only surprise was that it wasn't in Texas. Aren't they supposed to do everything bigger?"
      Conditions for mushrooms generally need to be dark, damp and cool(ish) - there's not a whole lot of that here...I think I learned that in junior high

    3. Re:The world's largest by Ayaress · · Score: 1

      I'm sure there's some zen higher meaning in this series of posts, but I'm too damn tired to find it.

    4. Re:The world's largest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The article was probably talking about what you and I know as soccer fields. Based soley on the article, 1 soccer field = 1 hectacre. So the American mushroom (also mentioned in the article) covers about 890 soccer fields.

    5. Re:The world's largest by blamanj · · Score: 2, Informative

      To put the comparison in European units, that's 1220 soccer pitches or 890 hectares.

    6. Re:The world's largest by El · · Score: 1
      In other research, scientists have determined that fungi are more closely related to human beings and animals than to other plants.

      Hey, speak for yourself! I don't have any relatives that are fungi!

      Moreover, while humans and most species are divided into only two sexes, mushrooms contain over 36,000 sexes.

      Well... that could certainly make dating confusing!

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    7. Re:The world's largest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is, but you were too ignorant to spend more than 30 seconds on a google search to find it.

  4. Boom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some tough actin Tinactin would clear that right up.

    I don't know what a "football pitch", but it sounds like it hurts.

    How do they know that the fungus isn't just a large cluster of individual fungi that share identical genetic traits? Clones of each other, if you will.

    Dancin Santa

    1. Re:Boom! by Ayaress · · Score: 4, Informative

      1. That'd be a hell of a lot of Tinactin.

      2. Seeing as it's in Europe, a football pitch is probably a soccer field.

      3. Because fungi reproduce sexually. Each individual is a mix of its parents. Only asexual species "clone" themselves when they reproduce. Just like with genetically identical aspen groves, its infinitely more likely that each individual is connected to a much larger root system than for them to be separate. Lots of plants and fungi do this already, and spread over very large areas without actually reproducing. It could be that there are actually multiple separate fungi, but the cause would probably be something killing off sections of it and breaking the continuity, not truely distinct individuals.

  5. Mmmmm. by Tool+Man · · Score: 1

    Imagine the pizza *that* could make.

  6. Queue the X-Files theme! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny
    Am I the only one who had that X-Files episode come to mind? You know, the one where Scully experiences this weird reality, only to discover she's trapped underground in some hallucenagenic mushroom? :) Kinda like the TNG episode where Riker finds himself in an insane asylum, like in the play he was in with Data, except Scully is better looking than Riker and there was no mushroom colony.

    Yeah, lame post. So sue me. :-P

    1. Re:Queue the X-Files theme! by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 1

      I also had that as the first thought about this article :)
      Nice to see i'm not the only one.

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    2. Re: Queue the X-Files theme! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK, but there are a lot of other themes already waiting.

  7. The real question is by T.Hobbes · · Score: 1

    Is it a magical mushroom?

    1. Re:The real question is by CommanderData · · Score: 1

      No, I think the real question is- were there any badgers found nearby?

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    2. Re:The real question is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      check out shroomery.org :)

  8. Ooooh yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Light up, there's plenty to go around!

  9. Ginormous by Palshife · · Score: 2, Funny

    35 football pitches

    Jeez, thats huge. I wonder how many hogs heads that is...

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  10. I think some Quaking Aspen are bigger. by JQuick · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Some aspen forests are dominated by clones. Additional trunks sprout from the roots of its sibling, break the surface, and appear to be a distinct individuals even though the root system is still partially shared among them.

    If the shared root structure is broken, certain clumps of trees may now be considered separate organisms, despite being genetically identical siblings. Logically, even a few capillary sized connections would suffice to define their status as a single organism.

    The mycelia underground by which this fungus spreads, and which serves to define these large mushrooms as a single organism are analogous to the shared root system of these quaking aspen forests. The fruiting bodies (mushrooms) on the surface grow from a shared network of underground fibers. The trees and mushrooms are each genetically homogeneous, interconnected biological systems, thus single organisms.

    One such tree/clone-forest in Utah named Pando (latin for "I spread") has over 47,000 trunks, weighs over 7 million kilograms, and covers about 118 acres. A large number of similar clone forests exist in Canada. Though some believe one or more of these Aspen groves in Canada is larger, Pando is older by several hundred years.

    So, this mushroom in Washington has a web of mycelia that span 2200 acres. On the surface it seasonally fruits above ground bodies in shady areas scattered across this area. That's big. Despite the fact that the horizontal surface spanned by the underground network is about 20 times larger, perhaps the Aspen edges it out.

    Above ground the volume and mass of the aspen, per acre, is significantly greater. One trunk, its branches, roots, and leaves, are certainly more massive than a significant number of mushrooms. At nearly 5 thousand trunks per acre, that's a lot of wood! Since the acreage difference is only a factor of 20, one only need show that one acre of Aspen is 20 times heavier or voluminous than one acre of this mushroom. I found no data to confirm this but I believe that 1 acre of Pando would kick one acre of mushrooms butt.

    I'll grant that the mushroom covers a larger footprint on the soil thus has a larger area (measure in acreage). The mycelia also may edge out the root system per acre in displaced soil volume. Considered in their entirety I'd be very surprised if by volume or mass it is truly the largest. Thus, I find it hard to believe that this mushroom is a larger organism than Pando.

    BTW, These clone forests are quite interesting in the fall and spring. The connected clones change color in the fall, and open their leaf buds in the spring in parallel. It is possible to see the boundary of clone forests, and spot genetically different isolated trees within the boundary of the forest. Mid season they are visually indistinguishable. At those times, isolated trees, or boundaries between genetically diverse stands of trees, are easy to spot visually.

    1. Re:I think some Quaking Aspen are bigger. by slothman32 · · Score: 1

      In your opinion does a Siamese "person" count as one or two? They are as joined as these organisms. I would say that physical connection is not enough. What is I don't know though.

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    2. Re:I think some Quaking Aspen are bigger. by JQuick · · Score: 1

      In your opinion does a Siamese "person" count as one or two? They are as joined as these organisms. I would say that physical connection is not enough. What is I don't know though.

      You raise an interesting point re: Siamese Twins. Like you, in the case of conjoined twins, I have the gut reaction that they are distinct. I also agree that physical connection is not enough. However, a bit more thought reveals that the case of conjoined twins is still not very clear cut. It only appears so initially by virtue of the special status that we grant people or other sentient creatures. In your first sentence you used the word "person", in the second you said "organism". We grant individuality to beings which are capable of perceiving the world, or even have the potential to do so. I think these two words sum up what makes conjoined twins special. By virtue of having two minds they demand consideration as individual persons despite the fact that physically they are a single organism.

      The illusion that they are two joined organisms is further bolstered by the fact that the vast majority of conjoined twins are joined in only a few ways. Around two thirds are fused in the thorax or lower chest, just under 20% are joined at the buttocks. Of the rest, 6% have one form of lower body union (with no sharing of the heart) and 5% share the lower body in another geometry with or without cardiac involvement. The remaining ways in which conjoined twins are united are extremely rare. What this means is that, in the vast majority of cases, their outward physical form suggests that two otherwise healthy and well formed bodies are stuck together. The fact that the majority of such twins are largely well formed and of similar stages of development is unsurprising. More sever deformity or asymmetry would likely be fatal. In fact, the vast majority of potential conjoined twins are miscarried, about half of those which are carried to term are still born or die in a matter of hours or days.

      Cases where one twin is significantly underdeveloped or malformed, are conveniently given a different label. Calling the less developed of these asymmetric conjoined twins a "parasitic twin", reduces the ethical hurdle on parents and doctors when sacrificing one to improve the viability of the remaining twin. Even in cases where each twin has a complete set of organs, lungs and a heart, during gestation and at birth it is difficult to argue that they are separate physical organisms. The mere possibility of their independent survival depends on considerable surgical and medical intervention. Those who share significant organs, circulatory systems, skeletal structure, or nervous systems are sometimes so interdependent that separation into two independently viable organisms is simply not feasible. This raises serious ethical issues such as that of the Attard twins. The conjoined sisters shared a single heart leading the parents to refuse surgery. The British high court ruled against them and ordered surgery, which only one person (the stronger of the twins) could possibly survive. In 2001 one child, Gracie, emerged from surgery. Her sibling, lacking a heart of her own, was sacrificed to give Gracie a chance of a healthier, longer life. Physically, this was indistinguishable from an amputation or removal of an abnormal growth. Ethically, this was the destruction of a person, as her sibling had a sufficiently development brain to warrant separate existence as a person. In this case only a single viable organism existed. That it was capable of providing biological support for only one of two conscious entities is sad and unfortunate.

      What about trees or fungus? Trees are complex highly differentiated organisms like people. It is possible to identify components, subsets of the living thing, and make clear judgments about the viability of each subsystem if divided in specific ways. Both the internal and external structure of the systems provide ample basis for determin

  11. Tsk by (trb001) · · Score: 3, Funny

    If they aren't measuring in Library of Congresses, I'm not interested...

  12. as I read the article... by rogabean · · Score: 1

    All I could think of was purple stuff that grew on the ground as the zerg expanded their base. Hmmm I'd make an overlord joke here... but I'll pass.

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    1. Re:as I read the article... by niteice · · Score: 0

      But I won't. I, for one, welcome our new Zerg overlords.

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  13. Retraction by JQuick · · Score: 4, Informative

    Replying to my own post is kind of lame.

    I since found several other references which seem to confirm that the living mass of the Washington state mushroom is greater than that of Pando. Much of the bulk and mass of a tree is dead cellulose fibers. Though some of the mass of mycelial fiber is dead connective tissue as well, a substantially greater fraction of it is actively metabolizing living tissue.

    It seems like this young whippersnapper wins the title (10,500 year old pando, vs 1,500 year old mushroom). I still wistfully hope that some Canadian behemoth is eventually found. I like mushrooms, they are tasty, but aesthetically I'd prefer a tree to win over a fungus (even though we are more closely related to the fungus than the tree).

  14. Sorry old chap... by El · · Score: 1

    covering an area about the size of 35 football pitches Can somebody tell us how big that is in football fields for those of us that have no idea how big a "football pitch" is? (E.g., for us ignorant Americans?)

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    1. Re:Sorry old chap... by jfengel · · Score: 2, Informative

      A football pitch is pretty much the same size as an American football field. The pitch is about the same length and somewhat wider.

      An American football field is 100 yards long (plus two ten-yard end zones) and 160 feet (53 1/3 yards) wide.

      A soccer field is actually less well defined:

      Length: minimum 100 m (110 yds) maximum 110 m (120 yds)

      Width: minimum 64 m (70 yds) maximum 75 m (80 yds)

      For for the purposes of a rough measurement like the one in the article, football pitch = football field.

      Football is a game of inches, with carefully measured increments (the most important being the ten yards between downs). Soccer is more continuous, so precise dimensions are less necessary.

  15. Who's gus? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and why is he so fun?

  16. Fill in blanks by cakefool · · Score: 2, Funny

    "I for one..."

  17. Re:Football pitches? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What does that have to do with munch rooms?

  18. NetHack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ahh, but how many NetHack hexes would it take up!?

  19. The question is.. by Gkeeper80 · · Score: 1

    ...can it move a B-bomb all the way from one side of the city to the other? And what is it's opinion of plumbers? This article has certainly left out a lot of facts.

  20. Is anyone else? by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

    Day dreaming of the Mycon and thinking of the Juffo-Wup?

    Juffo-Wup fills my fibers and I grow turgid.

    A single spore lands, finds nourishment in decay and attains maturity..
    In turn it exhales a cloud of life, a thousand spores land... so progresses Juffo-Wup.

    A cold rock, spinning silently in the Void, a womb for the Children.

    In the dark they grow, the deep fire feeds the Children.
    Their birth breathes warmth across a cold world.

    When we encounter the Non, we must absorb the Non or reject the Non so that it is no longer Non.

    Juffo-Wup acknowledges the existence of un-Voidable Non
    when we are faced with such, we join, absorb and wait for our opportunity
    to learn the weakness that will allow us to Void the Non.

    Any chance if I surrender to this giant fungus and offer my life, that my thoughts might be preserved and added and then we'll build a giant red sphere space ship that spits organic plasmas and has practically no turning ability? Which we'll then use to gravity whip around a planet, face backwards, and just start firing?

    Man I need to stop playing that game.

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  21. Blimey.. by adeyadey · · Score: 1

    Not mushroom left in that forest, then..

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  22. a similar organism in the US by mforbes · · Score: 1

    sometime in the late 80s or early 90s, the Washington Post reported discovery of another large mushroom, this one somewhere in the northern Plains States (Minnesota or Wisconsin maybe, not sure)...

    The headline to the article was "There's a Humongous Fungus Among Us"

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