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What The Bubble Got Right

dtolton writes "Paul Graham has written an article entitled What the Bubble Got Right. In recent years the roaring tech bubble has become a byword, yet Paul does an excellent job of articulating what it got right."

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  1. Lessons learned. by jedaustin · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I think the bubble was great.. for one reason: Lessons learned.

    Now I can jump up and down and DEMAND a development server and have plenty of examples to back up my need for one.

    I'll now be the first person to raise my hand and ask the following question: "So, how will this make money?"

    Whenever I hear New - anything - my instant reaction is BULLSHIT!

    Those were great times; I wouldn't trade them for anything

    I think the lessons learned are worth the pain.

    JD

  2. Re:bad article by erick99 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's a good article but, yes, it is rather long. The author makes good points. After reading the article I am not sure how to comment on it without regurgitating what the author has already said. However, I do think that there were valuable lessons to be learned from the whole "bubble" phenomena and we did not necessarily learn those lessons.

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  3. Been there, dumb, that! by museumpeace · · Score: 4, Interesting

    having gone under with 4 start-ups between 93 and 2001, I think I have scars entitling me to say Mr Graham has hit a couple of nails on the head a couple of years too late. The ideas that were pesuasive to our VC's were NOT persuasive to the folks we thought were our customers. The net result of a venture is the PRODUCT of the value proposition of the business AS STAFFED AND EXECUTED and the depth of the business concept's grasp of the PERCIEVED NEED for the service or product.
    Foolish disclosure: I made money on only one of those starups and that entirely by accident. I wish our VC's and senior management had the long term vision, so absent in those days, that is implied in Graham's article.
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  4. People couldn't see through the bubble? by YU+Nicks+NE+Way · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I call bullshit. In 1999, my son was taking an enrichment course in our local school system. The particular unit was on finance -- so Iassigned this then ten-year-old boy to read _The madness of crowds_. He read it and said "Dad, is the current stock market another tulip craze?" Now, granted, he's a really smart kid -- but I suggest that if any ten-year-old can read a book about tulips and the south sea company and recognize that the internet bubble was more of the same, then lots and lots of grownups could, too.

    1. Re:People couldn't see through the bubble? by darnok · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's all about context - your son had just read the book, so the ideas in it were at the front of his mind.

      I've traded futures and shares for many years, so I knew a bubble when I saw one - recognition that a bubble was happening was part of my training, if you want to look at it that way. However, one of my close friends, who is a *very* savvy businessman and has held very high level roles with multiple global corporations, used to argue with me that "everything has now changed with the Internet", "stock dividends are irrelevant now" and so on. Lots of investment advisors were saying the same thing; presumably some were trying to profit by boosting the stock they wanted to sell, and others were too dumb to know any better.

      I pointed out to my friend that this had been said many times before, which he knew, but he thought the Internet bubble was The Big Leap Forward. His background covered 20+ years of business in manufacturing and IT, and he'd seen the Internet and related technologies could make changes to those areas that were an order of magnitude more significant than anything else he'd seen. All of this is still true, so he's not actually wrong.

      As others have said, spikes in Yahoo, Cisco, MS, Sun etc. share price will happen, but the infrastructure that supports these companies is probably the safer investment bet in the long term. That said, a lot of people (myself included) felt that Cisco was one of those infrastructure companies, but it was part of the bubble - it can be hard to distinguish between the two.

  5. I take issue with one point... by bckrispi · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Options are a good idea because (a) they're fair, and (b) they work.

    Options were part of my compensation when I first started my current job back in '99. We went IPO in Spring '00. About a dozen of the higher-ups became millionares at the opening bell. At the height, my options weren't worth anywhere near millions, but it was fair chunk o' change for a 1-year-out-of-college grunt. Unfortunately, I wasn't vested, so I couldn't excercise any of my options...

    I just reached my 5-year anniversary, and my initial option grant is now fully vested. It is also fully worthless. After being delisted from NASDAQ, even if I could find someone OTC to buy, the share value is but a fraction of my excercise price. Now I do know people who worked for larger companies who have made, and continue to make, a decent return on their option grants. It is a great incentive to both keep the employee productive (his production has an impact on the stock price) and loyal (encourage him to stay with long vesting periods). But there are just as many of us "survivors" who took a lower salary with option grants who got burnt on the deal.

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  6. Re:Graham's daydream by anactofgod · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Starting a company that doesn't need to scale up to mint Brink truckloads of money is also one of my dreams. It wouldn't have to be 10 or fewer people, in my case, but I would like to keep the numbers low, so that I can keep the quality of personnel high.

    The one corporate archetype that I've found that could realize Paul's (and my) dream is the model that ARM follows. ARM is the intellectual property company that focuses on R&D behind the ARM family of RISC microprocessors. The trick is that they generate all their revenue from licensing fees and royalties from partners (like Intel), who take the R&D that ARM does and incorporates it into their own offerings (like StrongARM). ARM, while >10 employees, is miniscule when compared to it's competitors in the microprocessor space. And insanely profitable. ARM's is a fascinating story, and should be a case study for anyone who wants to see how a tenacious and dedicated team of really smart people can create a successful business in the face of seemingly overwhelming odds.

    Licensing of IP is one of the few formulaic ways that I've seen where one can accomplish big money while maintaining a small core team.

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  7. Re:Full Text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What the bubble got wrong: venture captialists. These people are not to be trusted. Get a loan, get some money for your folks...whatever; just don't trust a vc. They talk a nice game, but in the end they'll be your worst enemy. Just look at Lycos as an example.

  8. The bubble got Globalization right too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This article leaves out the biggest effect of all: The Internet Bubble started a wave of manufacturing globalization which will forever change the United States economy. This is neither a bad thing or a good thing -- those who play the change right will make millions in the next 5 to 10 years, those who cling to bubble-era techtopia will crash and burn.

    I was a founder/director of a New York webshop which I started and later sold for stupid amounts of cash to a bunch of guys who then still believed the "up up up" mantra of the day.

    Our company built all kinds of supply-chain mgt. tools, extranets, inventory systems, etc. -- some of which was good, and some of which was thrown together from pieces of code I'd be embarrassed to post here.

    The crazy thing is though -- that sh*t really did change the planet.

    Two years ago (post bubble) I started a small (very small) manufacturing business building (we'll say "widgets") in China.

    I was instantly struck by the fact that sourcing a manufacturer, monitoring production, sourcing raw materials, shipping, tracking inventory, selling and fulfilling are *ALL* internet enabled now -- by similar tools to the ones we had been building for the past 6 years. Not to mention the fact that if you know how to build/use those tools, you can beat the pants off businesses that are 10 times your size.

    Now I have a slowly growing manufacturing business (struggling more than growing most weeks) which could not have existed pre bubble.

    On a larger scale, this is a huge trend. The fact that the little guy can find a manufacturer overseas, produce widgets (literally anything you can think of), and go head to head with billion dollar manufacturing businesses is a fantastic degree of empowerment. And its completely a result of our "failed" internet bubble.

    Anyway -- my two cents -- the time for building the tools is over. The time for using them is here.

    Peace.