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Celsius 41.11: A Rebuttal to Michael Moore

Posted by michael on from the and-he's-fat-too dept.

deezl writes "Michael Moore released a controversial movie revealing 'facts' about the Bush Presidency. A new rebuttal has just been released called Celsius 41.11. I would think that time sensitive political commentaries would be available for download to ensure the widest possible distribution base. If documentary makers are so interested in getting their message out and arguments across, why not encourage free BitTorrent type distribution for their movies?"

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  1. But... by Issue9mm · · Score: 4, Informative

    Michael Moore DID encourage downloading of his movie via Bittorrent, and other means.

    -9mm-

    1. Re:But... by sgant · · Score: 2, Informative

      True, but this story submitted by deezl said "why not encourage free BitTorrent type distribution for their movies?".

      And as I read this again from a different perspective, perhaps deezl was calling out the makers of Celsius 41.11 because if you go to their site, no where does it say where or how or even if you can download their movie. Just lists how to get the DVD.

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    2. Re:But... by ageoffri · · Score: 3, Informative
      So is Michael Moore the only one allowed to make money off of his propaganda? I'd say that this organization is at least more honest with the money then Moore has ever been. They want you to donate to thier political organization to get the DVD. Moore just wants money for his next Big Mac.

      If you had bothered to watch the trailers you would see that 41.11C is what they are claiming the brain begins to die at. I'm no medical person so I have no idea if that is accurate.

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    3. Re:But... by thoughtterrorist · · Score: 5, Informative

      The links explains it as "The temperature as which the brain begins to die". Modded insightful for being too lazy to visit the link, that's absurd..

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    4. Re:But... by E_elven · · Score: 2, Informative

      An internal temperature of 41C will cause the risk of the brain starting to coagulate (like an egg), but one can briefly weather 41C out; anything over 42C is a hospital visit or serious risk of damage.

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  2. Warning: Adult Content by JMandingo · · Score: 4, Informative

    The video has some shocking content. The worst was a clip of a kid getting his fingers chopped off. That almost made me ralph with the hangover I have this morning.

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  3. See it free!! by k4_pacific · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not only that, Citizens United is renting a theater in my hometown to show it for free. I guess that's the only way to get anyone to come if it's free. I wonder if the theater will bill them extra for having the coke syrup and bits of popcorn cleaned off the screen when they're done.

    Incidentally, the same theater charged for F9/11 with numerous soldout screenings.

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  4. David Bossie by kaos_ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some notes on David Bossie.

  5. Other antidotes to "Fahrenheit 9/11" by yo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Two new films offer a rebuttal to the slanted views of Michael Moore. Michael Moore Hates America and FahrenHYPE 9/11 . Both are due to be released to DVD on October 5th to coincide with the DVD release of Fahrenheit 9/11. I have yet to see either of these films, but the trailers look compelling.

    For an detailed rebuttal of Fahrenheit 9/11 read Fifty-nine Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11 .

    1. Re:Other antidotes to "Fahrenheit 9/11" by brandido · · Score: 3, Informative

      For a detailed rebuttal of David Kopel's detailed rebuttal of Fahrenheit 9/11, please check out Deception; Desperate Right Wing Attacks on Fahrenheit 9/11 or Debunking '59 Deceits in Fahrenheit 9/11'

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    2. Re:Other antidotes to "Fahrenheit 9/11" by damiam · · Score: 3, Informative
      Hussein was a known problem, we'd tangled with him before.

      And what happened then? We decided not to take him out, because our president at the time had at least a shred of intelligence and could forsee the consequences:

      "Trying to eliminate Saddam .. would have incurred incalculable human and political costs. Apprehending him was probably impossible ... We would have been forced to occupy Baghdad and, in effect, rule Iraq ...there was no viable "exit strategy" we could see, violating another of our principles. Furthermore, we had been self-consciously trying to set a pattern for handling aggression in the post-Cold War world. Going in and occupying Iraq, thus unilaterally exceeding the United Nations' mandate, would have destroyed the precedent of international response to aggression that we hoped to establish. Had we gone the invasion route, the United States could conceivably still be an occupying power in a bitterly hostile land."

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  6. Re:No, it's far worse than that. by Minna+Kirai · · Score: 4, Informative
    he shows a clip of some politician claiming "and we've set up an 800 number so you can call us and complain," and inserts a little subtitle claiming "this isn't true." The truth is that the phone number was (and still is) a 1-888 number

    Wrong. At the time F911 came out, there was no number at all. Only in response to the movie was the number created. (And it's not 888, either)

    The most balanced objective take on the file I've seen so far is the point by point list of deceits.

    I can already find multiple obvious lies in that file... and an even greater number of deciets (using truth in a misleading way). The single funniest mistake is #21, although it's irrelevant to the overall theme. The Crusader was NOT a missile! There's even some weird things like #35 and #36, which affirms a fact and then immediately claims it's not true- even though that same document just said so! #42 is funny too, because by those standards, the Bush Administration were also Al Quaeda collaborators.

    #58 is by far the gravest lie and reveals a true bias by the file's author:
    1. In Fahrenheit, Moore pretends to support our troops. But in fact, he supports the enemy
    In reality, he said the enemy was going to win; that's a pessimistic prediction, not a statement of support. For example, I don't support G.W. Bush, but I do say he's going to win re-election.

    Still, it would be nice to have a version of F911 containing only the facts, minus Moore's leading sarcasm. Bush would only come off worse if you actually sit there watching him for 7 minutes without a stream of jokes in the background. Maybe a special "no director commentary" feature on the DVD.
  7. Re:WTF by KirkH · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check it: http://www.health.discovery.com/encyclopedias/946. html

    "A fever greater than 106 degrees Fahrenheit can result in brain damage and death in some cases."

    Guess what the coversion from 106 F is to C?

    It's pretty clever, I guess. And I don't think Bush had anything to do with this film, BTW.

  8. Re:Blame the Academy rules by tordia · · Score: 2, Informative
    I believe his decision to broadcast the movie on tv disqualified it from winning the award for Best Documentary. The movie could still be in the running for Best Picture.

    I won't get into whether it has a chance to win Best Picture or not...

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