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Intelligent Transportation Systems

An anonymous reader sends us a link to this story about the U.S. Department of Transportation working on Intelligent Transportation Systems, a long-range plan to build various sorts of intelligence into the national road system. Likely this will result in better traffic monitoring, lots of traffic planning data to analyze to help prevent traffic jams, and less privacy for everyone. The article has a paranoid bent; although they're not wrong that the system will likely facilitate privacy abuses, I wish the author had been a bit more hopeful about possible system designs that would still help alleviate traffic problems without enabling snooping, because obviously such a system could be built if the political will was present to do so.

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  1. Total privacy ends at your doorstep... by LostCluster · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember, your right to total privacy ends the moment you step out of the house. Your car already bears a linkable-to-its-owner token in teh form of a license plate. Many of us has willingly added another intentifying device in the form of an electronic toll payer such as EZ-Pass.

    1. Re:Total privacy ends at your doorstep... by SydShamino · · Score: 4, Insightful

      /again...

      You don't get to be "private" in public, per se, but I do feel it is important that you be able to be "anonymous" in many cases.

      "So, how can you be anonymous when you have a license plate?" you might ask.

      Simple, there are 300 million people in the country and, at any given time, no one -cares- to read your plate and track where you are. If you commit a crime, or if someone with a similar car committed a crime, then sure, a police officer might see your car and check your plates. But, if they don't match, the officer will move on. The event is eventually forgotten and there is no "proof" that the event ever happened.

      Cameras that record (or, in this case, machines that monitor your location electronically) change that. 25 years from now, someone can go back to a camera (computer checkpoint) and see who passed in front of it last night. This where anonymity is lost.

      Let's assume you buy pr0n from a shop. Your license plate is visible to all who care to look, but again, -no one cares-. Now add a "911 cam" with a tape recorder, and, at a later date or with the use of more computers, the names of every person who ever visited the store can be retrieved. There goes your political career.

      Let's assume you go to church. Again, outside of the church itself -no one cares-. But, add a camera, and the government knows everyone who visted a certain mosque, ever. Or, they know everyone who attended mass last weekend.

      In summary, yes, if there is reason to care, the government can already track you in public. But this takes the efforts of a human, which means it is rare, costly, and, most importantly, not permanent. Eliminate human involvement from the monitoring and it becomes routine, pervasive, and, worst of all, permanent.

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      One last thing:

      >> Many of us has willingly added another intentifying device in the form of an electronic toll payer such as EZ-Pass.

      Suppose there was a freeway exit in your town. The only thing at that exit was a pr0n shop. Would you use the EZ-Pass to pay the toll at that exit? Do you think everyone in the country would? Or would you prefer to pay cash for that spot?

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    2. Re:Total privacy ends at your doorstep... by davidsyes · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but is it legal for me or you or anyone else to collect imagery of the vehicles, their occupants, plate numbers and locations?

      I'm not even suggesting tapping the state and creditor digital networks. Just tap into any public, high-resolution web cams, log the known whereabouts of any vehicle, look for repeat logs, interpolate or extrapolate the likely activities undertaken, and then display it for public consumption.

      Even without adding the "interpolate or extrapolate the likely activities undertaken" part, there'd be major hue and cry.

      Now, if the public wants a privacy buffer that costs the government MORE money, they could ditch their cars and take mass transit. Up to 1/2 the surveillance system is real, the rest being fake, due to costs. So, what could but won't do it is if some major force "ripped up the automobiles" the way the oil industry ripped up the cable car and trolley tracks.

      If we could get people out of their cars by vastly improving the flexibility and availability of transit pods, such as FlexCar, where you ad-hoc reserve and rent a car and drop it off whereever is convenient but only for a few hours at a time, then more people could be diverted to mass transit.

      But, because America is so vast, the oil and auto industries seized an opportunity, and look what it's gotten us: those two industries ALONE are the probable culprets for the rampant and abyssmal divorce and infidelity problems we have. Automobiles and autonomy allowed the traveling salesman to basically have a woman in every city, not all that different from a sailor having a woman in every port. But, I digress...

      If busses were more spacious, allowing for grocery shopping and cart space, if they were more cab-like in on-call/ad-hoc settings or just similar to those in Hong Kong, which are small but have large entry doors, then people would have less need for a car. But, to justify doubling or tripling the amount of public transit vehicles on the road and in greater frequency with better pickup/dropoff spots, cities would need to be less greedy with their revenue accession schemes, and counties would have to be less greed with property tax schemes. Cities would definitely need to encourage and support more comic and entertainment acts, movie venues, and design a "Vegas"- or "Roppongi crossing" or "Kowloon"/"Taipei" like setting that bustles with neon, glitz, fun, food, and more. Tokyo I heard is called a city that never sleeps, and 24/7 pretty much whatever material thing you need can be found and bought.

      Here, we're too rigidly limited by noise ordinances and other regulations, some for good reasons. But, with the horizontal sprawl, the me-me-all-mine-no-you-can't-peek attitude combined with the ever-enlarging vehicles, houses grow to a point, and even with cities shrinking the lot sizes, cities here are greatly less dense than say, Tokyo, which by 1998 had some 40 MILLION people living and working within just 20 miles of Tokyo!

      At any rate, something needs to be done about our love affair with the automobile, the ridiculous number of vehicle registrations per license (when one person has 5 non-business vehicles), when homes have 5 or 6 vehicles crowding street, and public transit is incompatible with ad-hoc needs of a populace.

      Maybe the answer is to create new circular, 15-25-mile-diameter cities with hubbed entertainment zones, spoked residential corridors, and sectored manufacturing centers with public transit mandatory and POV (privately-owned vehicles) prohibited inside the 25-mile zone. Monorails, private/5-person automatic/railed cabs, and trams networked with escalators and moving sidewalks or ski-resort-like transport chairs could do wonders. The only vehicles used inside would be law enforcement, medical, construction, residential bulk-goods transport, and utilities related things. Even still, high-speed utility pods or shuttles could remove the need for those, too, if distributed police, medical and fire-suppression substations are thoughtfully planned. A

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  2. It will never work, because... by Sheetrock · · Score: 5, Insightful
    People are behind the wheel, and people drive like idiots.

    In the ideal traffic network, everybody would drive at approximately the same speed with a fair cushion of space between each car and faster traffic in the left lane. That careful balance is destroyed with the first SUV driver that's constantly swerving from lane to lane trying to get an extra five or six seconds cut off the trip (not to mention that these large vehicles generally clog the road even when driven normally.)

    To improve traffic, we need to continue putting the emphasis on low-fuel consumption and on quality mass-transit. At least until we get robotic cars that operate according to some sort of centralized traffic planner.

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  3. Re:Gotta take the bad with the good sometimes... by justMichael · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...and then relaxing as the car waits for a suitable break in the traffic flow to bring the car into the stream...
    One of the best parts of this system, you don't need to wait for a spot to merge, the system will make an openeing for you to merge into.

    No more people on the freeway that don't understand that if you merge as a zipper, traffic continues to flow smoothly.

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  4. Re:Gotta take the bad with the good sometimes... by chill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem isn't with when the police have a warrant, it is when they DON'T have one.

    You know, like with the boxes attached to cell phone trunk points that allow the FBI to record any phone call. SUPPOSEDLY they need a warrant, but I've had several telco CO techs tell me there is no method for checking that. The FBI guy shows up, punches in numbers to his black box and they pick up the tape later. No one checks.

    Even if they asked for a warrant, they aren't qualified to tell if one is fake or not. Hell, a Japanese language insurance form may do the trick.

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  5. Just better traffic lights please... by Chris+Carollo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personally I'd be happy with traffic lights that were just a little bit smarter. Like:

    1. Not turning yellow when there is ONE more car remaining to make a left turn.
    2. Trying to prevent cars from waiting multiple cycles in general.
    3. Doing very short green lights when there are only a few cars waiting.
    4. Adjusting timing based on time-of-day and traffic patterns.

    There have been attempts to "smarten up" lights here in Austin, but half the time they just end up misreading the situation and doing something wacky like giving a special left turn green for 30 seconds when there's no one waiting to turn left. Couple that with some of the nation's longest red lights, and you get one of the nation's highest rates of red lights being run.

    Even a good web-based feedback mechanism where the public can point out poorly timed lights would be a huge benefit.

  6. Mobility is important for economic well being by G4from128k · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Imagine a world in which employers could only hire people within walking distance of the company. The quality of the workforce would go down and many people would be stuck in jobs that suck. Imagine a world in which the only goods you could buy were those found at tiny neghborhood shops within walking distance. The selection and pricing would suck.

    The farther people can comfortably commute to work, the better the match between employer and employee. The farther people can comfortable travel to find goods and services, the better the selection and economies of scale. Current transportation systems (cars, buses, etc.) let people travel greater distances, but introduce stresses and uncertainties (traffic jams). If Intelligent Transportation System can increase the average speed of travel or reduce the uncertainties in travel times, people will enjoy less stress in life, find better jobs and find better goods and services.

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  7. Right to Privacy? by erick99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sometimes I feel like the Right to Privacy groups infringe on my right to enjoy and take advantage of some truly incredible technology. If we can put together an intellingent roadway system that saves most of the 42,000 deaths a year, I am all for it. I am not trying to flame the discussion and I truly do understand the issues at hand. However, some of this technology is pretty good and we should consider, thoughtfully, the advantages before stomping the life out of it.

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  8. This is a good, forget privacy issues by Ars-Fartsica · · Score: 2, Insightful
    To all the nuts who cut me off, slam their brakes in front of me, drive at 150 MPH in a school zone or 30 MPH on the highway....I would gladly replace the lot of you with SkyNet and yes I don't mind if the government knows where I am going.

    As for the privacy nuts, recall that you have this little thing called a license plate that police can already use to pull down your life history from their cruiser, and this plate is being photographed already to stop red light runners etc.

  9. Re:Gotta take the bad with the good sometimes... by serutan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Instead of a highway that communicates with the car, which would mean the car could only auto-drive on intelligent highways, I would rather put the money into making the cars smart enough to drive anywhere and let the roads be dumb.

    This goes along with the idea of making wheelchairs that can walk up and down stairs, and giving them out to handicapped people, rather than building freaking ramps everywhere.

  10. Re:Gotta take the bad with the good sometimes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful


    No more people on the freeway that don't understand that if you merge as a zipper, traffic continues to flow smoothly.


    Huh?

    If the lane bein merged into is already "full" (the spacing between the cars is the minimum safe spacing for the current speed) any additional cars entering the lane will result in a slowdown no matter how you merge them in.

  11. What a waste of money by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    U.S. Department of Transportation working on Intelligent Transportation Systems, a long-range plan to build various sorts of intelligence into the national road system.

    Translation for the car industry lobby-unaware:

    Many roads are filled to capacity. Most people don't have the physical ability to react quickly enough if they were asked to drive closer to each other, to cram more cars per mile and more car passages per hour. As a result, we auto-makers have lobbied the powers that be to start a program to develop a system to take away control of their vehicles from their human owners/drivers and into the hands of the car computers, or the USDOT's central computer.

    Of course, this will be ruinously expensive both to the government, to equip thousands of miles of thoroughfare with computer trackers (or whatever it'll be) and to the consumer, to equip their new "auto-autos" with the right tech wizardry, not to mention new raised roadtaxes etc... BUT BUT... we get to manufacture more cars, which means keeping jobs in the US and keeping the economy going (yeah, right...) and, more importantly, keeping the cash flow in our auto industry CEOs going.

    Hint: cars that drive very very close to each other, and follow a road to a tee, and consume very little compared to today's automobiles, and don't need a parking spot, and bring you right into most major cities, already exist: they're called a train, and they've been around forever.

    Europe, and most of the world proves that moving people by train is convenient, ubiquitous, and quite livable. The United States proves that lobbying from powerful industries can kill viable, more sustainable transportation solutions very effectively.

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  12. WOW... 'a LITTLE paranoid bent' ??? by InfinityEngine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    From the way that article was written, you would believe that tin-foil is staple in that author's fashion wardrobe... Semi-Intelligent Transportation is a definate need for the future and the expanding populace desires to keep driving personal automobiles... Just how would this author suggest a realistic approach to the automation of high-density traffic routes to improve safety while reducing or maintaining timeliness? seriously now... "They'll know you're due for a transmission repair and that you've neglected to fix the ever-widening crack that resulted from a pebble dinging your windshield." Transmission repair? Cracked windshield? WHO CARES IF ANYONE KNOWS THIS CRAP.

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  13. Exactly by Count+Ludwig+Von+Lon · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Exactly. People are able to quickly process unforeseen occurances and compensate for them. Computers can't. They only run code, and if something's not in the programming, they either lock up or return an error code. They don't come up with ideas.

  14. Re:Gotta take the bad with the good sometimes... by justMichael · · Score: 3, Insightful
    If the lane bein merged into is already "full" (the spacing between the cars is the minimum safe spacing for the current speed) any additional cars entering the lane will result in a slowdown no matter how you merge them in.
    True, but if the flow is controlled by the system and not humans doing stupid things, it can make sure that lane is never "full" by utilizing the other lanes.

    I'm not saying it would always move at max speed, but it would flow much smoother.

    If you have ever seen what a freeway looks like from altitude it starts to make sense. I have seen the 405 in West L.A. from one of the near high rises and it moves a lot like an inch worm. Mostly because of the people making irratic lane changes and refusing to leave room for a car to merge into.

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  15. Smart cars could lead to a better infrastructure by jubei · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Smart cars and roads can easily track movements, but what I want is to do away with most private vehicles in favor of many, many automated buses and taxis. Have a request button at city hubs and intersections. Have some sort of anonymous payment system.

    Every time I am on the highway, it seems like an awful waste for all the cars going one direction. If the passengers piled into fewer cars or buses, it would do a lot to help reduce emmissions and road costs. Having the cars automated lowers the operating cost.

    In fact, we could already emulate this model to a certain extent if hitch-hiking was socially acceptable. Need to go to a city a few hundred miles away? Head toward the highway and hitch. Give the driver a few dollars to cover gas and the inconvenience.

    If hitching was socially acceptable, it wouldn't take any time at all to find a ride, we would save the environment, and maybe make new friends.

    Too scared to hitch or pick someone else up? Are you too scared to ride next to someone on a bus, train, or plane? The only difference is there is a person with the responsiblity of piloting the vehicle. Smart cars could remove this responsibility.

  16. Re:Ok by mikvo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's got to be one of the most paranoid articles I have read in a while. I work for my state Department of Transportation in the Intelligent Transportation Systems (ITS) division. And yes, there is a national architecture. Virtually every state has a state or regional architecture based on the national architecture. And while there may be those who have thought of the "snooping" potential, that certainly isn't the goal. You claim there is no public pressure for it. Well, there is a constant stream of complaints about the traffic conditions and weaknesses in the transportation system. ITS is an attemt to improve that and respond to the growing demand to improve our nation's roadways. The use of ITS technologies has a significant impact on increasing the capacity of existing roads, and reducing accidents. Hundreds of thousands of dollars, and dozens of lives are saved annually through the use of technology on the roadways in my city alone. Not to mention the reduction in polution and saving travelers like yourself time by keeping the traffic flowing. This isn't some clandestine attempt by the government to find out whether you've had your windshield repaired lately. Extreme care is taken to ensure that these systems are not used to identify and monitor individuals. Let's face it: technology is becoming an increasingly central part of our lives. It isn't going away. Let's not fight it. But let's work together to ensure that it is used responsibly and effectively.

  17. Re:Gotta take the bad with the good sometimes... by AmericanInKiev · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Infrastructure is a relationship between the vehicle and the medium, you really need both.

    Whhat's needed is kids smart enough to stay out of the way of dingbat cars "avoiding" fixed objects.

    AIK

  18. Re:Ok by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Extreme care is taken to ensure that these systems are not used to identify and monitor individuals.

    This is that part that the article's author was complaining about, and is something that is unavoidable. Consider for a moment how such a system will have to work, if it will track individual vehicles. Is it going to be tied to a license plate number? If so, it's trivial to trace it back to a specific person. Just a unique random id? Still not a problem, if you look at more than a few days worth of data on a particular vehicle, it would be very easy to come up with it's home, which gives you an address, and that links you back to a person. The only way that this can possibly not invade a person's privacy, is by not tracking individual vehicles, and I will bet that is not going to happen.
    Now, this isn't to say that tracking individuals is all bad. As long as there is very strenious judicial oversight, and very, very, very (yes, I wrote that three times on purpose, let me add one more for emphasis), very harsh penalties for a breach of trust, it might actually do what it's being advertised for, without the privacy problem. Unfortunatly, considering that several large coporations seem to be hot on this idea, you can bet that the data is going to be available to too many people to actually prevent privacy intrusions.
    Before I would ever allow this type of system to be in a car I own, I would need a lot of stuff to reassure me that it is more than just another way for the government and industry to invade my privacy.

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  19. Re:Gotta take the bad with the good sometimes... by phazethru · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It amazes me that folks who work with computers every day are so willing to trust their lives to them.

    It amazes me that folks who work with people every day are so willing to trust their lives to them.

    People are unpredictable, erratic, spaztic, emotional, and generally insane. And those are the good ones! I'd take computer controlled driving any day. Computers wont ride your ass at 95 mph flashing their lights at you (sorry, I was only doing 85 in the 55, jeez). They also wont change lanes without turn signals, forget to check their blind spots, and talk on their cell phones. It seems to me that the abolition of these last three annoyances would warrant a switch to automation.

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  20. People are missing the point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    People miss the point. All these laws chisel away at our freedoms. While a particular law may seem good on the surface, it's the not so obvious implications which worry me.

    I see it as a game of chess- we may have a freedom such as freedom of speech guaranteed to us by the constitution, but over time governments begin to become corrupt and realize that having people speak out again them and/or overthrow them isn't in their best interest. So they write laws that don't outright ban your guaranteed rights, but they do impair them in an indirect fashion.

    Cases in point are many of these laws passed after 9/11. Have you noticed that the goverment uses the threat of terrorism to scare people into accepting these laws? Laws such as the Patriot Act erode rights that we used to have. Now they just throw the possibility of "terrorism" into the charge to bypass a right you used to have, for example, "We had to break into your phone line and perform an (otherwise illegal) wiretap because we received reports of possible terrorist activities coming from this house. Sorry, we can't reveal the source of this tip because that would undermine national security"

    These plans of tracking motorists just go along with the government mentality that it controls the people, instead of the people controlling it.

  21. Re:What about older cars? by Alsee · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How do they enforce this among drivers of older cars? What if I drive a 67 Mustang, or a 89 Grand Am?

    Phase 1: New cars have some "smart" features such as automatically regulating car-to-car spacing and speed and picking up GPS or other data. We are seeing the beginning of this today in luxury cars.
    Phase 2: Some major arteries implement the equivalant of current "HOV" lanes you are forbidden to enter except with a new computer controlled auto-pilot car.
    Phase 3: Some major arteries go exclusively computerized.
    Phase 4: The entire highway system goes exclusively computerized, relegating older cars to side-streets.
    Phase 5: Ban those old dangerous polluting vehicles from public roadways altogether. (They will tighten emmision standards on new cars along the way.)

    Remember that they are planning ahead to at least 2022 in some of these discussions. A 67 Mustang would be 55 years old by then. There just isn't going to be much opposition to banning antique polluting death-traps form disrupting the flow on automated public roadways.

    I'm not really worried about people tracking my every move, to be honest. I'm mostly worried about the government tracking how fast I'm going.

    No, the *only* thing that will be available for the government to track will be your every move. Once you merge onto the automated roadway you will no longer have any control over the speed of the car. There will be no speeding to report because it will not be physically possible to speed (short of illegally "tampering" with your car's control and safety systems).

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