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Movie Distribution Via Satellite

mnewton32 writes "An article in the Vancouver Sun briefly detailed the first satellite-based distribution of a major Hollywood movie. It will be shown on 115 screens at AMC theaters in 27 markets. How long before we can download it on eMule?"

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  1. There's already movie distribution via satellite.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's called television.

  2. The Final Cut by krymsin01 · · Score: 4, Informative
    The movie the post is talking about is Final Cut (yeah, you'd know that if you RTFA...) Information from IMDB here.

    Synopsis from imdb:
    Omar Naim's The Final Cut is startlingly different than a conventional science fiction film. It's a compelling fable that offers a vision of a world where memory implants record all moments of a person's life. Post mortem, these memories are removed and edited by a "Cutter" into a reel depicting the life of the departed for a commemorative ceremony, called a Rememory. Robin Williams' powerful portrayal of Alan Hackman, a troubled "cutter," propels this character driven story that forces us to question the power of our memories and the sanctity of our privacy.
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  3. NEI by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "How long before we can download it on eMule?"

    Somehow I doubt the file being sent will run in Media Player. They'd have to take the humungoid file and get it to a computer to transcode. That may one day be possible, but there's a couple of things tricky about that:

    1.) It'd have to be an inside job involving a firewire drive or something. It'd be easy enough to disable the ports necessary to do that.

    2.) It wouldn't be all that hard to send unique identifiers to each theater as the file comes along. (At least from a technological point of view.) If the tools are created, it'd make catching peeps doing this a lot easier.

    I am, in no way, saying it won't happen. But if I were a betting man, I'd say the traditional "bring a video camera to the theater" trick will remain popular.

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    1. Re:NEI by chewy_2000 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      IANA satellite engineer, but apart from any encryption, would there be anything stopping someone with a reciever and the right gear grabbing, ripping and sharing this?
      I'm guessing the equipment wouldn't be entirely proprietary , and the protection could well be breakable (CSS..)

    2. Re:NEI by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Or someone on the inside could get it *BEFORE* it's sent out over the link - and before any watermarks or DRM are put in."

      Well, to be fair, that possibility exists in a broader proportion right now. Movies these days are edited digitally. I'm oversimplifying quite a bit here, but somebody at the movie studio could wander in, hit 'Export to AVI', and drum their fingers for a while. I can't say I've ever heard of that happening. (err.. well that rang a bell... wasn't somebody at ILM busted for something like that? Help?) It's not clear to me, and maybe I'm just naieve, that incidents like that would rise noticably in the event of satellite distribution.

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    3. Re:NEI by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 4, Informative

      A) This is easy, a 6ft dish is probably more than adequate, possibly as small as a 3ft primestar dish.
      B) This wouldn't be impossible to figure, there are only so many satellites. Check out lyngsat.com.
      C) Only 2 or 3 frequency bands (and this is almost certainly Ku). Only so many transponders per satellite (about 30).
      D) This part is tougher. Is it DVB, is it encrypted with Nagra or Digicipher II? Powervu, videoguard? I'm not even sure how you'd check...

      But I suspect this is much beefier than your standard over-compressed HD feed. I'm not sure I'd feel like preparing 500 gigs just to download such a movie.

    4. Re:NEI by sploo22 · · Score: 4, Funny

      D) This part is tougher. Is it DVB, is it encrypted with Nagra or Digicipher II? Powervu, videoguard? I'm not even sure how you'd check...

      Knowing the RIAA/MPAA's previous attempts at copy protection, my bet is ROT13.

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    5. Re:NEI by cei · · Score: 4, Informative

      Back in May '02 Boeing satellites were used to send copies of Attack of the Clones for digital projection. I'm not sure where this weeks' article gets off saying that Final Cut is the first film to do this, unless they're claiming that 115 screens is the achievement here, and not the actual process of sending the files.

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  4. Re:Why use a sattelite? by Richard_at_work · · Score: 4, Informative

    Satalites have more available bandwidth, and unless theres unique ID going on, the files only have to be SENT once, but RECEIVED many times. Multicast.

  5. Old news, new news by mrshowtime · · Score: 4, Informative

    The studios and the theater owners have been trying to iron the electronic "distribution" problem since 1999, when Episode One came out and Lucas started his push to digital cinema. There was talk that Episode 2/3 would be ONLY availible to cinemas who were all digital. Honestly, there is no reason for the cinemas to "upgrade" to digital anything yet. There are no set standards and anything that is purchased now will be totally obsolete in less than five years. I think the studios are looking at the digital age as a double edged sword. Sure they will save a lot of money by not having to actually distribute and make prints, but they also lose total control over the theaters choice of films. The biggest hurdle of being a filmmaker, even in the digital age, is the dreaded print. You can shoot on video all day long, but if you want to show it in most theaters, you gotta stike a print, which can cost upward $35,000 or more.

    "Digital" for the theater is -almost- there. There needs to be a standard for exhibition of digital films that is locked in stone. The current projectors, while good, still look like good video projectors. The actual distribution is almost a non-issue. There are numerous ways of encrypting/securing the data for transmission to the respective theaters. Even the much balyhooed MPEG2 encryption was not broken till a (very smart) teenager found the keys left open by a careless person.

    The projector and decoder unit would have to be linked/hardwired, so a univeral standard of security would have to be implemented, no matter who made the projector.

    As much as I love film, it's time is up. Winding 5 foot diameter spools of film through a projector seems almost caveman like :)

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  6. Re:Cost effective? by NoMoreNicksLeft · · Score: 4, Informative

    They didn't launch a satellite specifically for this. They rent bandwidth on one of many satellites up there for all sorts of generic tasks. When they send the daytime soaps to CBS stations across the country, they aren't fedex overnighting VHS tapes to 400 affiliates.

    Ground station consists of a $500 fiberglass parabolic dish, and a $2000 (this is a guess, it is a commercial one) reciever, with probably a $5000 disk array. No need to UPS expensive drives where they'll be unwatched for days at a time.

  7. Re:About time.. by FTL · · Score: 5, Interesting
    > Well, everything is digital nowadays, but our cinemas are still running on good ole mechanical and analogue technology.

    Movies are already half digital. The X and Y of the pictures are analog. But the Z (time, made up of frames) is digital. Always has been. Most theaters now encode sound digitally too.

    In contrast, normal TV is half digital and half analog, but in a different way. Analog X, digital Y (discrete lines), digital Z (discrete frames) and analog sound.

    And sometimes technology advances from digital solutions to analog solutions. Look at rotary telephones (digital) which lost out to DTMF (analog).

    Weird huh?

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  8. System is using Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a system developped by Qualcomm and they're using a Linux computer with huge hard drives.

    There's a satellite receiver/decoder, and a timing system so the main unit can start movies on multiple screens automatically without the need for human intervention.

    I can't give more details without violating an NDA, but the system looks *very* promising.

  9. There is a larger battle here no one mentioned by John+Sokol · · Score: 4, Informative

    Lyons Gate and AMC with their proprietary Digital Theatre Distribution System (DTDS),
    is directly going against DCI - Digital Cinema Initiatives that is made up from Disney, Fox, MGM, Paramount, Sony Pictures Entertainment, Universal and Warner Bros.

    They are fighting for control and standards for the new Digital Cinema.

    AMC's approch was very slick, they started puting low res tv add up, and deploying these digital projectors then very quickly are pushing movies out. I can't find any info on what AMC's resolution or projectors or or the Satellite system used.

    DCI is using microspace or Huges for it's system and has standardized on 2K projectors 2048x1080 this is about where HDTV 1080p/24 is 1920x1080.
    DCI also supports 4K 4096x2160 , but from my visit at there test bed, the USC, ETC center they were using 1024x768 video to drive everything.

    I have a lot more written on this at
    http://www.videotechnology.com/0904/formats.html
    http://www.videotechnology.com/old0904.html
    http://www.videotechnology.com/old1004.html
    http://www.videotechnology.com/old0804.html
    http://www.videotechnology.com/old0604.html

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