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XAML Development Today, But Not From Microsoft

Posted by timothy on from the innervatin' dept.

Paul Colton writes "My company, Xamlon, has just released its flagship product, also called Xamlon. It allows for XAML development on all supported Windows platform, from Win98 through Longhorn. We're also investigating Mono and Java as possible development targets. CNET recently wrote a story of our launch."

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  1. Re:I will ask again. by kfg · · Score: 3, Informative

    . . .how much does one of the slashvertizements cost?

    One set of balls big enough to submit selfpromotion as a story. A bonus point if they're big, fat, hairy monkey balls.

    KFG

  2. Re:How do you pronounce XAML? by Swamii · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to MSDN, it's pronounced "Zamel"

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  4. What is XAML? by HateBreeder · · Score: 3, Informative

    For those of you wondering, here's a short explanation from www.xaml.net:

    Transaction Authority Markup Language (XAML) is a vendor-neutral standard that enables the coordination and processing of online transactions in the rapidly emerging world of XML web services - the revolutionary new model of Internet-based computing that is now being adopted by all major systems and software vendors. XAML is intended to be a completely open standard for web-based business transactions.

    The standard defines a set of XML message formats and interaction models that web services can use in order to provide business-level transactions that span multiple parties across the Internet.

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  5. Re:correct me if i'm wrong by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 3, Informative

    Well, XAML and XUL are similar technologies with similar goals. As far as that goes, Mozilla seems to have been there first, and is open source. They are therefore the preferred party. Microsoft has marketing dollars, so they are probably going to attract most developers.

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  6. To Stop Slashvertisements by Skraut · · Score: 4, Informative
    Grab the Nuke Anything extension for firefox. Highlight the slashvertisement, right click and choose remove selection.

    *Poof* It's gone. It's just temporary, but it always makes me feel better at the end of the day.

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  7. Re:Need help by passionplay · · Score: 2, Informative

    XUL stands for eXtensible User-interface Language, which if I'm not mistaken is an XML dialect (XML of course being eXtensible Markup Language).

    It was dreamed up by the Mozilla team to allow GUI interfaces to be designed in a cross-platform manner without referring to the inner-workings of the platform. It has considerable support and allows you to use mozilla as your development platform instead of just a browser. The mozilla engine which itself is cross-platform handles all the nasty stuff under the hood.

    Avalon is Microsoft's answer to XUL. It's not as powerful. It's not cross-platform. It doesn't free you from the underpinnings and shortcomings of the underlying OS. It just makes it easier to develop in it. It also allows for using SVG graphics (another XML dialect).

    XAML is this company's knock-off product that beats Microsoft to the punch. How well it does it is anyone's guess at this point. I myself don't know.

    However, I do know that it's not cross-platform and that's why everyone is talking about promoting XUL instead of XAML.

    XAML is this company's ticket into getting acquired, IMHO.

    Later.

  8. Re:correct me if i'm wrong by Abcd1234 · · Score: 4, Informative

    What, you mean like this?

  9. News Flash: Open source equivalent by rnd() · · Score: 4, Informative

    With all the generously moderated posts about slashdot advertising, the herd has forgotten about this OPEN SOURCE PROJECT that does the same thing as Xamlon!

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  10. Re:correct me if i'm wrong by darrylo · · Score: 2, Informative
    What, you mean like this?

    Looking at the xulmaker web page, I don't have high hopes for it:

    • Last release (0.51) August 10, 2004 (good), but the previous release (0.50) was over a year earlier (June 25, 2003 -- bad).

    • No mailing lists (none that I can find).

    • From the project status:
      The latest release of XULMaker is Version 0.51 which was released on August 10, 2004. XULMaker 0.51 is known to work with Mozilla 1.6 and Netscape 7.1 (and most likely with older versions - going back as far as Mozilla 1.0) It does not seem to work correctly with Mozilla 1.7.1 and later versions.
      No mention of Firefox, and does not work with latest Mozilla. Given the past long delays between releases, I don't have high hopes for this project. (And I really would like a good graphical XUL designer.)
  11. XAML, XUL and stand-alone apps. by VStrider · · Score: 3, Informative

    XAML is still vaporware, MS could change the XAML specs lots of times till 2006. Applications based on Xamlon would probably need lots of modifications to work on MS XAML. And still you are only targeting windows.

    XUL on the other hand is multiplatform and you can code XUL apps right now. A problem with XUL atm is that you cann't write stand-alone apps. Your XUL apps need to run through a mozilla browser.

    That is all to change though, with the release of XRE http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xul/xre.html and GRE http://www.mozilla.org/projects/embedding/GRE.html

    I just hope these runtimes are released before MS releases XAML.

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  12. How about Laszlo Systems by hqm · · Score: 2, Informative

    Laszlo Systems just announced an open-source cross-platform XML/Javascript based app building tool. That is much more interesting news I would think.