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A Viable Biofuel?

natural rah writes "A laboratory in India has developed a process for making diesel fuel from an inedible plant which grows in barren wastelands. Although biofuels are mass produced and used in USA and EU, they have been traditionally derived from edible oils like soy bean and rapeseed. Using edible oils to make fuels is evidently not an option in a country like India. This fuel is "carbon neutral" (at least theoretically), has potential to make good use of barren wastelands, is clean and sustainable. Read more here -- could you have a SUV and not put excess carbon into the air?"

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  1. Re:Ummmm... by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 4, Informative

    Rapeseed is a plant that made an oil that was too bitter to eat. Rapeseed oil was commonly used to lubricate steam engines until the 1940's. Recently, Canadian farmers have bred the bitterness out of the oil to make an edible product called Canola. (Canadian Oil).

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  2. Re:Ummmm... it's Canola by Drunken_Jackass · · Score: 2, Informative

    Here's more info:

    http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/nexus/Brassic a_ rapeseed_nex.html

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  3. See also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative
  4. Some information on the plant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
  5. Jatropha curcas description and photos by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 3, Informative


    Someone thought of using Jojoba seeds for biofuel. However, after giving the Jojoba plant enough water to grow fast, the resulting product was too expensive and too slow-growing.

    So, I was skeptical about this plant until I read more. This plant is different. It's a tropical plant, where presumably there is enough water.

    See the Jatropha curcas description and cost and photo. The Jatropha System explains the advantages.

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  6. The fundamental problem... by Eccles · · Score: 2, Informative

    The fundamental problem with biofuels is that they are simply too inefficient to produce. In the U.S., at least, our cars use much more energy than we do. So even accounting for the meat part of our diet, we probably would need to cultivate about as much or more land to grow plants for fuel as we already do for human food. That's an immense amount of extra farmland, especially considering that much of the most productive land is already taken, and the drain on our freshwater supplies from farming is quite high.

    Really, you want something more efficient. One scheme that I think has a fair amount of potential is pluggable hybrids, with bigger batteries than current hybrids, so you could use mostly or purely electric power for short trips. The gas tank would remain available for longer journeys, so there isn't the limitation of pure electric cars.

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    1. Re:The fundamental problem... by TykeClone · · Score: 4, Informative
      There's no one good answer, but -

      - Converting corn to ethanol leaves some feedstock that is used to feed livestock - the entire bushel of corn isn't converted into fuel, there is some leftover for other uses.
      - Hybrid and GMO varieties of corn and soybeans are increasing yields every year.
      - As noted earlier, algae can be converted into biodiesel - there are places where it would not make sense to grow crops, but it would make sense to set up algea growing stations (in the southwestern desert perhaps)
      - Thermal depolymerization - make oil out of garbage. It's my understanding that you can take any organic waste and run it through this process to make oil. Right now, many communities have people separate out their paper and plastics for recycling - have a separate deal for table scraps too and send them right to one of these plants.
      - Methane - capture methane from sanitary sewers, livestock feed lots, and landfills. Not sure what you'd need to do to make it usable, but there is a lot of that being produced and just plain vented into the atmosphere now.
      - Right now, the US has something called the Conservation Reserve Program (CRP) - where the government pays farmer to idle erodable land. Allow them to grow stuff like switchgrass (or hemp) - anything fast growing, harvestable with conventional mowing or baling equipment, and that will regrow without needing a replant (it'd be nice to get 2 or 3 crops per summer out of that).

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  7. Re:Okay, it's another bio-oil source. by MORTAR_COMBAT! · · Score: 2, Informative

    Right here. I drive a VW TDI, and I'm already happily running on biodiesel. Bring on the algae-diesel, synthetic diesel, whatever.

    Oh yeah, and the majority of new cars in Europe are diesels. Try taking a peek outside the American border once in a while! Anyway, once ULSD finally hits the States, perhaps America will get some decent diesel numbers as the improved engines from Europe (built for ULSD) can be imported.

    The Jeep Liberty is coming to the US with a Mercedes diesel engine. Volkswagen makes the Jetta and Golf in diesel already for the American market, and the Tuareg (SUV) and Passat (sedan) are set to be brought to the US in their diesel versions.

    Oh yeah. And I get 50 mpg /plus/ spirited torqued driving fun with my Golf TDI.

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  8. Re:Okay, it's another bio-oil source(RESUBMISSION) by oarsman17 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Please disregard my previous message, for I clicked the 'submit' button by mistake. My apologies.

    Those who wish to further hydrogen as a major fuel fail to point out its lack of energy density. According to the UNH article on algal biodiesel (linked by Engineer-Poet), gaseous hydrogen (at 250 atm [3626 psi]) has an energy density of 68 kBtu ft^-3, while petroleum diesel and biodiesel have energy densities of 1058 kBtu ft^-3 and 950 kBtu ft^-3, respectively.

    Biodiesel, while requiring slightly more fuel than petroleum diesel at a given distance, requires significantly less fuel than pressurized hydrogen (UNH article). Obviously, the ubiquity of vehicles running on petrol engines presents major disadvantages; it would be impossible if not ridiculous to replace current petrol vehicles with diesel engines. Though pure biodiesel can run in diesel engines, wouldn't it still produce carbon dioxide?

  9. Re:Okay, it's another bio-oil source(RESUBMISSION) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    It would produce CO2, yes. But the CO2 would come from the air initially, so the overall CO2 added to the air by burning a tank of fuel is zero. This is what makes it a very exciting technology as far as CO2 emmissions are concerned.

  10. Re:VW is already importing Passat and Toureg diese by Engineer-Poet · · Score: 2, Informative
    The 2.0l I-4 yields something like 247 ft-lb of torque (more than the 6-cylinder gas), and the vehicles I saw were 2004's. Quantities were limited, for certain.

    I bought one. It's not as economical as a Prius, but you can't get a Prius without waiting 10 months.