Slashdot Mirror


Will VoIP Kill the PBX?

gManZboy writes "Following up on their last VoIP article, Queue just posted "Not Your Father's PBX?" from Jim Coffman at Avaya Labs. Looks like the PBX may survive, but it's going to have to evolve considerably. I guess eventually corporate telecom goes away as a kind of island in the MIS dept? Maybe that's already happened?"

17 of 225 comments (clear)

  1. star-69 by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You can't integrate your PBX with your application server. But have you got Tomcat servlets controlling your Asterisk server, and being "called" by it?

    --

    --
    make install -not war

  2. nope by laurent420 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    not in the US anyhow. not with fbi wiretapping provisions staggering adoption.

  3. Uh huh. by juuri · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And what praytell will be responsible for your complex dialplans (routing) or giving access to client SIP phones? PBX's aren't going anywhere but *of course* they have to evolve, it is amazing they have remained sedantary for so long.

    If you wonder where the PBX is heading look at the simple office copying machine. They used to make copies. Now they make copies, colate, autoscale, create PDFs on the fly and then fax the results to someone while storing the PDF somewhere AND emailing a copy to a lit of people. The PBX of next year will integrate even more so than the one's of today in a cheaper, faster way.

    The PBX isn't going extinct but many of the specialized lockin systems and consultants may.

    --
    --- I do not moderate.
  4. Bias by siskbc · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Now, do notice that this piece was written by a guy at Avaya. Avaya is a telecom company. Guess which side of the market Avaya stands to profit from?

    When someone who *doesn't* work for a telecom manufacturer starts saying stuff like this, I might listen.

    --

    -Looking for a job as a materials chemist or multivariat

    1. Re:Bias by Detritus · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Once you realize that your voice is just like your e-mail, your IM, your web traffic... it's just data! Why not route it like the rest of your data?

      It isn't "just data". There are quality of service and reliability issues to be considered. TDM gives me low and predictable latency, guaranteed bandwidth, and an infrastructure that has extensive reliability features and ways of routing around congestion and damage.

      VoIP has lower costs, less reliability, "best effort" delivery.

      --
      Mea navis aericumbens anguillis abundat
  5. It's getting there. by gregarican · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From my experience over the past several years it's been getting closer to making a big jump. My company has used Avaya products for awhile now, going back to the old AT&T Merlin line even. They have a good selection of VoIP products.

    To me the biggest stumbling block is how that traditional PBX'es are more hardware-centric and VoIP is more software-centric. Which do you think traditionally has been more reliable?

    Consider mean time between failure rates for tradtional PBX voice services. Then consider a typical VoIP environment. I don't have hard figures, but I would imagine there's still a vast difference. Imagine a facility using VoVPN then extrapolating it out a little further.

    If there are cost savings to VoIP and the PHB's for a company are placing that as a higher priority than reliability and security then perhaps things will continue to move toward VoIP. But I personally have worked as both a telco and a data tech and I think that traditional PBX'es are still more bulletproof than newer VoIP packages. If I'm wrong I'd be happy to hear...

    1. Re:It's getting there. by Gopal.V · · Score: 2, Insightful
      > But I personally have worked as both a telco and a data tech and I think that traditional PBX'es are still more bulletproof than newer VoIP packages. If I'm wrong I'd be happy to hear...

      VoIP boxes more often that not, run on traditional OSes . We'll see a switch to reliability when the OS specializes for VoIP . Our office uses Cisco and Ericsson VoIP phones for longdistance calls and it is very reliable (more reliable than the &*#$% MS Exchange email servers).

      Essentially most people seems to be running a hard-board Linux install on flash for these VoIP systems - which is IMHO a mistake . There is a reason why IOS router is more stable than a Linux router. Specialization and removal of features irrelavant to current operation .

      But I can see a near future when a custom built OS (like MovieOS .. *snigger*?) specializing on VoIP software. Then we'll see the system work . Oh, not to mention a parallel/high-priority network in office to prevent the bittorrent user in the next cubicle from jittering your calls .

      Remember all our mobile phones are software and do use digital audio . You don't call them unreliable, do you ?.
  6. eh? by fimbulvetr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Is it just me, or is the boy still crying wolf? Wasn't VOIP going to take over in 1998? I'm not saying it's not an excellent technology, nor am I implying it won't take over PBXs, but the article is no different than any other 1998 Voice IP is Here, all your pbx are belong to us! articles. Seriously, what's the hold up?

  7. Re:The PBX has BEEN changing by Jeff+DeMaagd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But the savings in being able to lose an entire cable infrastructure has tipped the balance.

    If it is already there, why count not using it as a savings? The cables are already laid and it is a sunk cost, which shouldn't factor in.

    Also, what that means is that you are more likely to lose all of your communications if one delicate wire is cut, rather than "just" losing phone or internet. We have some variation of VoIP. The problem here is if our T1 line goes down, we don't have telephone access either, and we might be losing a lot more sales opportunities as a result.

  8. Yes: It's just another Linux box by Graabein · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Today's modern PBX is just another Linux server in the dataroom with Asterisk installed.

    There's no special wiring involved anymore, the terminals (phones) are computers in their own right, connected to the enterprise IT network, speaking IP.

    It's not an island, it's part of the modern IT infrastructure.

    --
    And remember kids: Never trust a computer you can actually lift.
  9. No way by clinko · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There's no way the phone companies are going away because they'll just con you into using their service to keep dsl. I have DTV & a cell phone. I have no need for a phone line or cable television.
    But when I get broadband I can either pay $55/mo. for DSL & Phone or $60/mo. for DSL w/out phone service. Cable is $70 w/Internet or $60 for internet alone.

  10. Re:The PBX has BEEN changing by afidel · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because you no longer have to physically move lines when you do move, adds, changes, there is no need to run new lines to new locations, and there is no need to add it to new sites. The fact of the matter is that you lose voice service if your T1 goes down if the interfacing device is an NBX or a classic PBX, or do you put both voice and data through a single T1, that seems kind of stupid.

    --
    There are 4 boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. Starting now.
  11. Re:I hope not... by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The FCC mandates a certain level of service and availability, it's been this way since the 50s- sort of a "we'll help build the infrastructure but these are the rules" type of thing.

    If only the feds required the same reliability of our power grid, right now there's little incentive for the power companies to do anymore than the minimum amount of maintanance, which just leads to big problems like last years blackout.

    --
    I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
  12. Re:Yes by Trigun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You stated that VoIP will kill the PBX. I say that you'll still have a PBX in your building for the next twenty years. It might not look like your current one, but it'll be a PBX. It will connect to the conventional phone system as well as the internet, because the missing part of the puzzle is the household phone. To get that to switch, we'll need a high bandwidth, low latency public network to make it work. Our current little project known as 'the Internet' is definitely not that.

  13. I guess it will die because you say so... by alexhmit01 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I use my copier multiple times a week, we keep paper records for anything financial.

    I use my fax ALL the time, because if I need to send a physical document to someone, EVERYONE has a fax machine. If they have a fax server, than they get it electronically.

    My phone system CANNOT go down. If a server goes down, people get coffee and get back to work, plus their already open documents are fine and they can save locally until it comes back up. If the phone system goes down, no sales are taking place.

    The sales guys that bring in the money into the company aren't going to tolerate ANYTHING but reliable telephony. However, the "vritual PBXes" give the appearance of hardware, the flexibility of software, and a roll-out in the middle.

    I can upgrade my Ethernet-based PBX with a few hundred software upgrade when I want new features. It's better than a hardware roll-out, but ultimately, it uses dedicated hardware for interfacing with the world.

    Alex

  14. Your grandpa never said... by N0TVQ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Your grandpa never said, "Phones will be down for 30 minutes while I reboot!"

  15. Re:The PBX has BEEN changing by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    if you buy a fractional T1 and say 12 phone lines. That is EXACTLY what the phone company does to you.

    the 512K pipe and phone lines for a sattelite office we had was that way from the telco. we saved $1500.00 a month by having them put the T1 directly to our home office and I use a CSU/DSU that can dynamically split the bandwidth for data and voice and put the sattelite office on our PBX here in the office and have no local phone numbers in that office's area. customers use the 800 number anyways so it's cheaper to have the employees do the same.

    using the same T1 for voice and data is extremely common.

    --
    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.