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BBC Wants Help With Dirac Codec

Number Ten Ox writes "According to The Register the BBC wants help to develop their open source video codec Dirac. '[Lead developer Dr. Thomas] Davies said the codec could live on anything from mobile phones to high-definition TVs but not before a lot of further work is completed. For one thing, Dirac doesn't currently work in real-time. Davies also reckons that the compression offered by the technology could be further optimised. The BBC is working on integrating the technology with its other systems, but the corporation would welcome more help in developing Dirac.' Sounds like something worth helping with."

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  1. BBC rules! by orangeguru · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Compared to many other broadcoasters the BBC has a long and excellent record of producing great programms AND embracing the web/technology.

    Certainly a good 'partner' to support ... compared to companies like Real ...

  2. Re:H-264? by Xylaan · · Score: 5, Informative

    That depends on if third party implementation of the codec would infringe any patents. One of the goals of Dirac was that it is not supposed to be patent encumbered.

  3. Re:dirac vs. theora? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No the BBC is NOT funded by the UK Government.
    The BBC has tax (i.e. the TV Licence Fee) raising powers of it's own - and is entirely independent of funding from government.
    If the BBC *was* funded by government it wouldn't be considered trustworthy. It wouldn't be the "gold standard" of news reporting world wide that it is.

  4. Re:dirac vs. theora? by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Have there been any comparisons? Do we really need two fully scalable open-source video codecs?


    Dirac is a next generation codec. It is also the only one using wavelets (like JPEG2000). Is there an argument for developing new codecs which compress better than current ones? Very much I'd say, unless you want all technological progress to stop here.

    Also - the BBC is funded by the British government. When did they get a mandate to spend money developing video codecs.


    They are a broadcasting organisation. Video codecs are very much part of broadcasting. They also did a lot of development on digital TV, which is soon going to replace all analogue TV by law in the UK. If they use this codec to put their archives up on the internet, then they certainly do have a good reason to do this development.

    I don't have a problem with government-funded "arts" but this seems a bit beyond the normal scope of things

    Is it? What about all that government funded science and tech research?

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  5. Re:BBC + Codec = Not Free by onion2k · · Score: 5, Informative

    The BBC, just like any other rational business, is out to make money off of this while the rest of the world could benifit greatly from it.

    Nope. The BBC need the codec in order to save themselves a bucketload of cash in the future when they make their digital program archive available over the internet (something they have to do according to their Charter). They're not intending to make pots of money from the codec, they just want it to exist so they can use it themselves.

  6. Reasons Dirac is Not Redundant by TheRealFoxFire · · Score: 5, Interesting
    1. Not patent encumbered (compare to H.264 and MPEG2/4 including "open source" codecs like XviD)
    2. Next generation coding techniques (wavelets vs traditional DCT coding) (compare to Theora/MPEG 4)
    3. Capable of scaling down as well as up (compare to MPEG2)
  7. Re:redundant by FrostedWheat · · Score: 5, Informative

    The only truly open video codec worth mentioning is Theora. XviD's source may be open, but the codec itself is a patent minefield. Theora is patent free, as is Dirac. Even if the BBC did take out some patents, the license Dirac uses means these patents would be harmless.

    So yes, we do need this codec and others like it. Theora is nice but it dosen't hold up against any of the new generation of commercial codecs that are coming out now.

  8. You're missing a lot by Crosma · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dirac is a wavelet codec. The technology is far more advanced than Theora's. In fact, until On2 came along, Ogg were working on a video wavelet codec called Ogg Tarkin. They want with open sourcing VP3 because it would be quicker and easier, nothing more. As the BBC are demonstrating, putting together a competent wavelet-based video codec is non-trivial to say the least.

    Put simply, Ogg Theora is already outdated. The source material (On2's VP3 codec) does not match any decent MPEG-4 codec. The BBC would be wasting their time by messing around with dated tech.

    That said, Theora is usable and just about the only decent patent unencumbered video codec in existance. Until Dirac is finished, Theora will remain the sane choice for those who want to stay legal without paying through the teeth.

    If and when Dirac is ready, it will blow everything else away. It will be worth the wait.

  9. outsourced by 0xbeefcake · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm wary of the fact that this "call for help" comes just days after over 1400 BBC technology staff were out sourced to Siemens

  10. Re:dirac vs. theora? by Silburn_Luke · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sort of, but its complicated. The BBC is an organ of the state, but it is not run by the executive arm.

    First the BBC *is* actually responsible for collecting the licence fee. They farm the operation out to another entity, but its a statutory responsibility written in to their charter.

    Second the BBC's grant-in-aid funding is paid from the the pot of licence fees but its level is set when the the BBC's charter is renewed every decade or so (of course the govt of the day has a large influence over that process when it occurs). So yes, the grant often diverges from what is in the common fund but the license fee which fills that fund is explicitly tied to this payment stream. And yes, the GotD has a big stick it can wave at the BBC - but a decade is a long time in politics and whilst theoretically, vide the Crown in parliament, the GotD can abolish the BBC (ie fail to renew its charter) if it gets uppity, the cost in goodwill would be horrendous. Even in her most eye-swivellingly megalomaniac stages, Thatcher never seriously considered doing that.

    Addressing the way upthread post that started this off, the BBC is explicitly charged as part of its charter with conducting R&D into things like broadcast and storage technologies so this is exactly what they should be doing with the money they've been given. If they weren't, they'd be failing to fulfill their mandate. There's a lot of stuff out there that has come from the BBC Technology Divisions. Our gift to the rest of the world.

    Regards
    Luke

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