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Induce Act Stalled For Now

Neil Wehneman writes "The AP is reporting, through Newsday, the great news that the Induce Act is not going anywhere this legislative term. Thanks to everyone who took action in various ways, although there's a strong chance we'll see this type of bill again soon. Additional thanks go to Copyfight for the initial heads-up."

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  1. Goliath vs. Andre by daemonenwind · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was never really worried about this bill.

    Quite frankly, it's new media vs. old media, and each side has their pet legislators and lobbyists.

    And, in the game of law-passing, it's easier to stall something to death than it is to pass it through. Do Nothings always beat Do Somethings.

    Especially in government.

  2. Re:Request for Utah... by bobbozzo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Orrin Hatch wrote some songs 100 years ago and is obsessed with protecting his own interests, over his sworn duty, to serve the interests of the common citizen.

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  3. Re:Today we fight together..tomorrow? by Chrax · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I could be wrong, but I was under the impression that typically government and corporate America work hand in hand. Corporate America isn't swayed by words like terrorism. As if they give a fuck about terrorism. Rebuilding's good for them in general. Did you notice that the first thing Bush said after 9/11 was "don't stop spending"? Government helps out corporations so that they can keep lining their pockets.

  4. Senator Geek by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We need a senator going off the geek vote to introduce a short bill that merely confirms that tbe Betamax Law applies to current technology. Who's our Senator? Who could be? Let's get to work now.

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    1. Re:Senator Geek by tehdaemon · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Did it ever occur to you that much of the trouble with corporate america is the corporate laws themselves?


      If shareholders were liable for the actions of the corporation, for example, would corporations be so willing to ship faulty products, (knowing that they were faulty)? No, 'cause even a whiff of that would cause their stock price to plummet - the shareholders would run in droves.

      throwing out all corporate law and regulations would do much more good than harm.

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    2. Re:Senator Geek by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Hey, thanks -- now I don't have to tell him that, since you did it for me.

      From your answer, I'm guessing that you're a Libertarian. That being the (presumed) case, I have a question:

      There's one part of this particular argument that I don't get: how do Libertarians regulate the commons*? Is it just that they would eliminate the commons entirely and make everything privately owned? If so, I don't really understand how they can regulate things like air pollution, since the problem doesn't stay on the producer's property. Besides that, it seems to me that there are some things that are inherently public, such as infrastructure. How would Libertarians keep that from being abused?

      *In order to answer, you ought to be familiar with The Tragedy of the Commons so as to understand what I'm talking about.

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    3. Re:Senator Geek by mdfst13 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Nobel laureate Coase (famous for the Coasean Welfare Theorem, which generalizes the General Welfare Theorem) offers two potential solutions to this:

      1. Breathers would get together and pay the polluter not to pollute. The problem with this is that encourages pollution as an extortionary tactic. I.e. it encourages people to pollute so as to get paid to stop. For that reason, most would advise against this.

      2. Class action lawsuits against the polluters would force polluters to pay for the damage caused by the pollution. This seems to be Badnarik's position. It's worth noting that a mediation/arbitration system could improve on the class action lawsuit system here.

      More interestingly (at least to me) is that I have never seen a solution to the reverse commons problem: even if (for example) a police force is not supported by me, I still get most of the benefits if all my neighbors pay for police protection. As a result, there is a tendency to underpay for police support on the theory that one's neighbors will do so for you.

      You can see examples of this in military spending. Both Germany and Japan pay much less for defense (both per capita and as a percentage of GDP) than we (Americans) do. The presumption is that we would use our military to defend them if they are attacked. This originally started from our side; both were prohibited from developing their own military after World War 2. Now, both use it to keep their taxes lower than they would be if we were not providing defense services for them.

      Note further that this is not irrational behavior on our part. If Japan or Germany were attacked, the loss of trade would do damage to us. Further, military capability often prevents military action (i.e. you don't attack someone who is bigger than you because you don't want to get beat up). As a result, the threat of us using our military is generally sufficient. Therefore, we don't actually require that much bigger a military to protect Japan and Germany than we would need to protect just ourselves.

  5. True story: Words with my Senator by DaHat · · Score: 5, Interesting

    On Sunday I went to a lil rally for Senator Tom Daschle, a supporter of this bill sadly.

    I told him how concerned I was about Induce and asked why he was supporting it... he explained that some of his friends talked to him about their concerns regarding their losses due to piracy.

    Thankfully, he did say that that he didn't think the current revision of the bill was very good and did believe that more work was needed.

    We spoke for about 10 minutes on the issue (I think I miffed the national guardsman in line behind me).

    One interesting note... I mentioned the savebetamax campaign and he knew nothing about it... his aid admitted that they had received 'a few calls' on the topic... either they were lying... or not enough calls were made it seems.

    1. Re:True story: Words with my Senator by DAldredge · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Calls don't do shit. Donate a large amount of money to his PAC and you will get his attention. He, like most of the others in DC, are nothing but whores.

  6. what about the kids by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Loved the bit: "So long as illegitimate peer-to-peer services hijack a positive technology and intentionally offload their legal liability to America's kids, legislation will be a priority for the creative community," Bainwol said. Oh yes the big bad p2p companys are forcing there wares onto unsuspecting kids. Forcing them into a life time of slavery to downloading copyright software.

  7. Hatch is out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    [posting anonlymously because I'm a senate staffer]

    Something worth mentioning - Sen. Hatch is outgoing chair of the Senate Judiciary committee. GOP rules limit chairmanships to 6 years, and his time is up. Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania is likely to be chairman in the next congress.

    There have been rumors that Hatch is pushing to reconstitute the intellectual property subcommittee, but even with a subcommittee chair he'll be alot less powerful next session than he is now. He could push bills out of his subcommittee and have them bottled in the full committee, or significantly modified during full committee markup.

    Specter isn't known for being in touch with IT/IP issues. This is a double edged sword. As committee chair he's likely to give significant leeway to Hatch on IP issues in order to focus on investigations and other legislation. Conversely, without strongly stated public views on copyright/IP issues, Specter will probably be receptive to lobbying. If the EFF/OSDN/Sun/Others effectively represent their issues, they'll be much better off with Chairman Specter than Chairman Hatch. If they blow it --- 6 more years of the same.

    A few wrinkles - Specter is up for election and may end up losing his seat. Also, Sen. Grassley is second in seniority on the Judiciary committee. Senators can only chair one committee at a time, and conventional beltway wisdom is that Sen. Grassley will not relinquish his current chairmanship (Finance) in order to take Judiciary, leaving it to Specter.

  8. Re:Today we fight together..tomorrow? by servognome · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Because the major record labels and the movie studios-- the same companies that opposed the Betamax ruling-- make huge donations to the re-election campaigns of the Senators who are sponsoring this legislation
    It will probably become a pissing contest between electronics companies and record labels. Electronics makers/distributors/retailers have alot more money, and more importantly employ alot more voters than the labels. What most likely will happen is some watered down bill that goes against P2P and/or other "outside the corporate structure" copying methods. So betamax will be protected as long as you are running a megacorp.

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  9. Re:Today we fight together..tomorrow? by cofaboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This type of crap usually skips over the pond to here about 5 - 10 years after its attacked the US. Just out of curiosity, since the INDUCE act would probably force a great deal of companies to change thier manufacturing process', ie move out of the US, not to import, make americans redundant; would this violate the PATRIOT act? Could the bozo,s who legislate and lobbied for it be prosecuted?

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  10. Re:Regardless by dtfinch · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I've been reading Lawrence Lessig's Free Culture, and found it very insightful.

    Point out all the times that corporations supporting old technologies have lobbied congress against new technologies citing piracy, property rights, and labeling their competitors as criminals. Congress has never given in to illegalizing newer, superior technologies in favor of old technologies controlled by a handful of massive corporations, until recently.

    The constitution gave Congress the power to grant copyrights for only a limited term and for the sole purpose of promoting the progress of science and the useful arts. This is still what it says today, and I (and many others) believe that Congress has violated the constitution in over-extending the reach of copyrights and increasing their lifetime indefinitely. The current trend is that copyrights will never expire, and the information is simply lost to the world because they're out of print and copies are discarded when they get too old. This nonesense going in Congress is not only destroying our future but our past as well.

    You know what radio stations have to pay recording artists and major labels? Nothing. They pay directly to the composers and song writers a small, fixed amount defined by Congress (back when it understood the purpose of copyright) because letting the recording industry set the price threatened the new distribution technology in favor of old physical media. Now the recording industry is after P2P, seeking to destroy the superior competing technology rather than finding a balance.

    The battle fought by the RIAA isn't about copyrights or piracy, it's about control of the media, and how media is created and distributed.