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The Ultimate MacDate

Hack Jandy writes "Anandtech - the PC hardware site - took the Apple challenge and tried a Mac out for a month. The result was the most indepth Macdate I have even seen. As quoted by Anand, 'In the end, Apple has developed a very strong platform.'"

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  1. 20 IE Windows?!!! by jaaron · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the article:

    When writing an article (especially big NDA launches), I'd have around 20 IE windows open, Outlook with another 5 - 15 emails, Power Point with NDA presentations, ...

    20 IE Windows??? Man, this guy has got to get a copy of Firefox and learn the joy of tabbed browsing.

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    1. Re:20 IE Windows?!!! by Croaker-bg · · Score: 5, Informative

      You can CTl+tab in firefox between tabs and ctl+shift+tab to go backwards through the tabs. Same functionality. There is also an extension that will allow you to ctl+tab to the last tab you used in a historical order. These are very handy features and save you the overhead of having multiple IE windows open with the same at the keyboard functionality to jump around.

  2. Installing apps by AKAImBatman · · Score: 4, Informative

    Well, to install an application, you simply drag the application's installer to any folder on your hard drive and it's "installed". Doing so actually triggers a number of files to be copied to various places on your drive, but the fact that you are separated from that process, it really made me feel like I wasn't in control of my system. On the flip side, installing and uninstalling applications couldn't be easier. There are no full screen installers to deal with; just drag and drop, and get back to work while the application installs. The fact that I don't know where everything is being copied contributes to my feelings of file system disconnect. Then again, maybe I'm being a bit too philosophical about my OSes.

    He doesn't need to feel so disconnected. All the files are exactly where he put them, nowhere else. Mac applications are actually directories packaged up to look like individual files. All the files he saw copying were just part of the application directory. Nothing to worry about. :-)

    1. Re:Installing apps by Nick+of+NSTime · · Score: 4, Informative

      Further, some Mac OS X applications do have installers. Office 2004 has both an installer and a drag/drop folder. The Office 2004 installer lets you choose to not install certain features. Or you can just drag and drop the folder onto your hard drive.

    2. Re:Installing apps by nine-times · · Score: 5, Informative
      Yeah, I'm not entirely sure what he means when he says "Doing so actually triggers a number of files to be copied to various places on your drive..." It just copies the .app folder, right?

      Maybe what he was noticing was the result of some settings/preferences/whatever being copied to his library, which many applications will do on the first run, but not when you install them.

      On the other hand, more and more OSX apps have actually gone to using an install program, including Apple's apps, which I find unfortunate. I like the whole drag-and-drop method of installation.

    3. Re:Installing apps by AKAImBatman · · Score: 5, Informative

      the Start Menu directories (in which "shortcuts"/aliases to directories/folders don't result in navigable file-system menus)

      A fun Mac experiment:

      - Drag an application onto the taskbar. This will create a shortcut. Now move the location of the application. The shortcut will still work!!!

      - Open a text file in TextEdit. Move the file. Make a change to it in TextEdit. Notice that TextEdit doesn't care you moved (or renamed) the file, it writes to the correct place! No more accidentally duplicated files!

      Gotta love the Mac file system! :-D

  3. Cheaper than Dell by jocknerd · · Score: 4, Informative

    And a comparably equipped Dell will run you about $1000 more. Spec out a PC that has all the features of the G5 and you'll see that the PowerMac is very reasonably priced. When comparing it to the crap Dell and Gateway advertise, yeah it sounds expensive. But those machines are crap.

  4. There is a lot of open source software for MacOSX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those Mac OS X people with Linux envy, there is a lot of open source programs available on http://fink.sourceforge.net/.
    To install fink, you need to give a root account on Mac OS X even though there is an administrator account. Mac OS X does not have a root account as default for security.

  5. Re:Cost by sgant · · Score: 4, Informative

    You mean for Macs, right?

    Cause I"m sitting here on a AMD 2500+ Barton with 1 gig of RAM, 120 Gig HD, Geforce Video, DVD/CDROM burner all for around $600.

    Built it myself. Sure, it's not a dual processor with DVD burner...but it's fast and stable.

    But I will say that Apple has been consistant with their prices...their top of the line machines have always been around the 3000 mark. But at the moment they only have one machine that's below 1000, and that's with very little RAM.

    Do NOT get me wrong, I LOVE Macs...but you do have to pay a premium to use them and yeah, I think it's worth it. I just can't afford it...yes, I'm poor.

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  6. Re:Office 2004 for PC? by boaworm · · Score: 5, Informative
    iCalendar is shorted iCal, more info here.

    Office 2004 is the Applized version of Office XP. More info here. Outlook is renamed Entourage btw...

    And... it's probably more correct to say that Office XP is a Windowized version of Office 2004, since much development/innovation at Microsoft is implemented first at their Apple department in California (not in Redmomd like the rest of the stuff). As an example, they tried out a sidebar in IE for Mac. Dont think it ever made it to Windows...


    I wouldnt say you are insane, just that you misread the PC/Mac stuff. Some apple software ends up on win32 though, like iTunes.

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  7. Re:Cheaper Macs by gunnk · · Score: 4, Informative

    If there is one in your area, go to an Apple Store and lay your hands on one. They're really good about letting you try it out there. You can play with it enough to get a feel for whether or not it meets your speed needs. Take a CD with some big docs on them and open them up. Do a little surfing. Check your email. Play with iPhoto and iTunes.

    I have a two year old PowerBook. It's beginning to feel a little sluggish to me here and there. Apps take a couple more seconds to open than I like, but I'm spoiled by having a dual 2Ghz G5 at work. EVERYTHING feels slow by comparison.

    That said, the feature mix on my PowerBook is awesome in a very portable package. A few years ago I bought a dining room table for my computer at the time (a Wintel box) and it's peripherals. Now we have the PowerBook in "office nook" in the kitchen. The size and portability are huge plusses to me.

    Now, if you really need a little more power, consider one of the new G5 iMacs. The housing is VESA-compliant, so you can wallmount it. Add an Airport card, wireless keyboard, and a wireless mouse if you want nothing but a power cord.

    Given the trade-offs, I'd definitely make the same decision to purchase a PowerBook.

    Now, as for comparing Wintel laptops to Powerbooks. I find that much of what makes a computer seem fast or slow is the smoothness with which the OS runs. The G4 chip is not going to perform as well as the newer P4 laptops. However, the OS runs VERY smoothly, so it FEELS more powerful than many Wintel laptops. Animations are silky. Expose provides incredibly slick window management when you have 20 things open in 12 different windows. Multimedia is smooth even when you are busy doing other things.

    Like I said -- go try it! The Apple web site will point you to the store nearest you.

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  8. Re:Cheaper Macs by MalleusEBHC · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm typing this on a 1.33 GHz 12" PowerBook ($1599 retail, I got it for $1399 on a student discount).

    This Powerbook flies. The 1.33 GHz G4 is damn fast for a mobile chip, i.e. something that won't suck down batteries like an Irishman sucking down Guinness. Maybe more importantly, the FX Go5200 in here allows OS X to take advantage of Quartz Extreme. Let's face it, with a laptop people are generally going to be more concerned with responsiveness than absolute number crunching power. By offloading system graphics to the GPU via Quartz Extreme, OS X is incredibly responsive.

    Through work, I've used some nice (for Dell at least) mid-range laptops. My Mac feels faster in comparison. although I've been a Mac user my whole life so part of it may just be that I'm more comfortable with the system. Either way, I could say for sure that the Mac will not be noticeably slower.

    Also, speed aside, you would be hard pressed to find a Windows laptop that will compare with a Mac on the features to price ratio. I've yet to see a $1600 Windows laptop that comes with a comparable CPU, comparable battery life, dedicated GPU, built-in 802.11g, and built-in Bluetooth while still weighing in at 5 lbs.

  9. Re:There is a lot of open source software for MacO by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 4, Informative
    Actually, the root account exists; it just has the password disabled. Also, you don't need to install it for fink; sudo works just fine.

    As for linux envy... OS X is a BSD derivative! http://darwinports.opendarwin.org/ and http://gentoo-wiki.com/Gentoo_MacOS are some more ports friendly systems, as opposed to Fink's apt-style system. Maybe "Linux curious" would be a better term ;)

  10. Re:Cost by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Informative
    You built it yourself. That's completely different from buying a pre-built machine from a reputable vendor because you don't have the benefits of somebody having spent the time to qualify each of those parts for compatibility. Your cost savings brings with it a significant risk, which might be fine for a geek's home system, but isn't acceptable in most environments unless you are mass-producing your own custom hardware and have the time to do qualification yourself.

    More significantly, that AMD box (albeit lacking in details) seems to have specs roughly equivalent to a G5 iMac, maybe a little faster, but not much. Add a name-brand 17" DVI flat panel to it (you don't mention a monitor for that price), and you're awfully close to the price of the new iMac, without the sleek design, the small form factor, the hardware qualification, or the pre-installed OS. So much for your big savings.

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  11. Re:Office 2004 for PC? by el-spectre · · Score: 4, Informative

    ICalendar is a standard that is cross platform. A whole buncha programs (including Mozilla Calendar/Sunbird) for linux/winders support it.

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  12. Re:Well now by technomancerX · · Score: 5, Informative
    "In short, very few users are debating the worthiness, usability, or power of an operating system these days.

    You're right on this point. However most people could give a damn about flexibility. They want a machine that isn't going to get eaten alive by viruses every other week. Windows does not provide this. Period.

    As for the other points you raise, aside from gaming I have never had a problem finding either hardware or software for my Mac.

    I am also not a Mac zealot, as I use Linux, Windows, and OS X on a regular basis. I have to say for servers Linux wins every time. For games Windows wins every time. For actually getting work done, OS X wins hands down every time.

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  13. Re:I am not surprised by Bastian · · Score: 4, Informative

    AppleScript does have a comparison from the UNIX world - shell scripting. AppleScript is the natural extension of shell scripting into a GUI environment.

    Yes, the language itself is a travesty, but thena gain, so is bash. And just like with shell scripting, there are all sorts of convenient replacements, like the AppleScript-JavaScript bridge.

    w00t.