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Indymedia Seizures Initiated In Europe

daveschroeder writes "According to this Indymedia.org article and AFP report, the request to seize Indymedia servers hosted by a U.S. company in the UK (covered in this previous slashdot story) originated from government agencies in Italy and Switzerland, not the United States. Because Indymedia's hosting company, Rackspace.com, is a U.S. company, the FBI coordinated the request and accompanied UK Metropolitan Police on the seizure under the auspices of the Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty (MLAT), an international legal treaty, but, according to an FBI spokesman, 'It is not an FBI operation. Through [MLAT], the subpoena was on behalf of a third country.'" Read on below for more.

daveschroeder continues: "Rackspace's statement reads, 'In the present matter regarding Indymedia, Rackspace Managed Hosting, a U.S. based company with offices in London, is acting in compliance with a court order pursuant to a Mutual Legal Assistance Treaty (MLAT), which establishes procedures for countries to assist each other in investigations such as international terrorism, kidnapping and money laundering. Rackspace responded to a Commissioner's subpoena, duly issued under Title 28, United States Code, Section 1782 in an investigation that did not arise in the United States. Rackspace is acting as a good corporate citizen and is cooperating with international law enforcement authorities. The court prohibits Rackspace from commenting further on this matter.'"

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  1. What's The Censorship Issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    That your favorite leftist internet site is raided automatically means censorship is going on?

    Is threatening people with bodily harm protected speech? I don't think so.

    Indymedia is overrun with crazies, if they break the law, then this should be investigated. It's not censorship.

  2. I thought it was the Patriot Act!!! by toupsie · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Those dirty, filthy Europeans are always at the forefront suppressing free speech. America is not safe as long as the Europeans have the ability to reach into our country to suppress our freedom of speech! Fight the fascism, say no to Europe!

    </just getting back at the europeans for the endless tirades of how America destroys freedom>

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  3. Re:Just like Echelon . . . by cynic10508 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    . . . each of Europe and the U.S. gets the other to do the dirty work that would be too hot in each home country. This was a J. Edgar Hoover through the side door.



    Not really anything like Echelon. Echelon is a Department of Defense project while FBI is under the Department of Justice. Also, Echelon is between English-speaking nations (U.S., U.K., Canada, Australia, and New Zealand). So Italy and Switzerland aren't members of it.

  4. Re:What's really unbelievable by Lije+Baley · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    LMAO, you must be one of the same fools who also thinks things will be different under John Kerry!

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  5. Re:Cry wolf by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Sorry, but in my version of ethics, you don't go installing dictators, mingling in wars, falsely accusing others and suppressing any doubts, attacking sovereign countries, all without international consent, just because. Just because you're afraid of what happens on the other side of the globe, just because you want their raw materials, whatever, doesn't matter.

    The USA has done this, and it's an abuse of power. Nobody can stop them, so they get away with it. Perhaps we should give them a taste of their own medicine and help Osama kick them out of Iraq, install dictators in Mexico and Canada, arm them so that they can stop the spread of the American Evil, then conclude from "solid intelligence" that the USA has combat sattelites that pose a threat to the Citizens of the Free World, and pre-emptively attack them?!

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  6. Please, by all means, continue to ignore... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    ...the facts in front of you.

    The Authority to act against Saddam was granted by the U.N. during HIS '90 unprovoked aggressive action against a foreign sovereignty. His total lack of cooperation with compliance of the terms of the cease fire (important point that: the world was still at war with Iraq, but only a few countries were bearing the expense of that), his total callousness towards his people (building what was it, 14 palaces? While his people were starving and dying), and his constant games regarding inspection and verification of the disarmament agreement were all grounds enough to remove him from power. Regardless of WsMD or not.

    Please also forget that when there is a majore foreign tragedy, that it is the Americans you love to bash that are the first and largest foreign providers of assistance (Somalia, Kobe, et. al.)

    Please continue in the ignorance of the facts in front of you. I'd hate to upset your blissful existance.

    Where is it you come from, anyway? I'm wondering how much aid the U.S. has given your country through the years.

  7. Re:Oh no! by SQL+Error · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Uh, I think you need to check your medication. Two of the little blue ones after each meal, and one of the bright orange ones before bed, okay?

  8. Re:Cry wolf by SQL+Error · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Your entire post could have been copied and pasted from a Palestinian propoganda leaflet.

    Before that the land was occupied by Palestinians, Jew terrorist organizations or "settlers" as they called themselves were of the position that they were restoring the biblical state of Israel.

    1. THERE WERE NO PALESTINIANS IN 1948. None. There were Arabs living in the British Mandate of Palestine, but they have absolutely nothing in common with the Palestinians of today, who are Egyptians and Jordanians who were refused return to their own countries.

    2. Your vicious anti-semitism here is noted. The Jewish settlers were not terrorists. They bought the land they lived on. Bought it.

    It's not hard to understand the situation:

    The Israelies want to live in peace.
    The Palestinians want to murder the entire population of Israel.

    My conclusion on this subject is that Palestine needs to be given a state and all funding from all parties involved with keeping this war alive needs to be enacted.

    My conclusion is that you are a complete idiot. The Palestinians have been offered a state twice , giving them more than 90% of what they had asked for, and both times they rejected it in favour of continued murder.

    The Palestinians deserve little sympathy at all in this. Their leaders have deliberately chosen this path to keep themselves in power, and will cling to it to the bitter end.

    The Israeli's shoot tank ammo and 5.56, 7.68 mm rounds into Palestinian women and children.

    No they don't. Very simply, no they don't. The Israelis simply and absolutely do not target non-combatants, regardless of gender or age. Sometimes a sad accident will happen, as the Palestinians do use children as human shields.

    On the other hand, the Palestinians do deliberately target women and children, and always target non-combatants when they can find them. Not long ago, they shot and killed a pregnant woman in her car along with her three daughters. The blow up crowded cafes and packed buses. They send teenagers to their deaths just so as to kill a few more Israelis.

    You can't blame the entire situation on the Palestinians; the Israelis aren't perfect angels. And the other Arab nations have been carefully fostering the situation for decades, after they realised that they couldn't hope to defeat Israel militarily.

    No, only 99% or so of the blame can be laid at the feet of the Palestinians and the other Arab leaders. And the UN, and the Europeans who continue to fund the Palestinians. The other 1% can be spread amongst the Israelis and their friends, the United States and Australia.

  9. Re:Cry wolf by Zak3056 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Wow this is the most uninformed rehash babble I've seen a while on Israel

    You call me uninformed, then you state the following:

    The actual people, the Palestinians, didn't want anything to do with the Soviets or the US however so they formed the PLO which was an organization of I believe 14 Arab states in 1968. They wanted to work diplomatically but basically could not keep control of all the terror organizations working to attack and keep Israel off of what they considered holy land

    The PLO was actually founded in 1964. You suggest that "14 arab states" (by which I'm going to assume you mean the majority of countries in the middle east, since I don't know any arab states outside of there) intended to work diplomatically to create a state of Palestine. This, of course, explains the various wars of extermination Israel's neighbors have waged upon it, inclusive of the 1967 Six Day War which was between the creation of the peaceful, diplomatic PLO and when Arafat and his pack of terrorists (and I'm not using the word "terrorist" in the rhetorical sense that's become so popular since 9/11--I'm using it in the "hey, let's go blow up a school bus" sense) took the reins of the PLO in 1968.

    The PLO's charter calls for the destruction of the state of Israel--not coexistence, not independant statehood, but to drive the jews into the sea. The charter was supposed to be changed after the 1993 Oslo accords, but despite a few drafts being circulated, 11 years later this still hasn't been done.

    Anyway, when the jews say they have been in Israel for thousands of years that would be incorrect, they are primarily speaking about a place in a book and this is where they think they once came from.

    They THINK they came from? I think they're probably right unless you consider the city of Jerusalem to be an ambiguous or false marker...

    Your attitude or seemingly ignorance, no insult intended is what is used to keep the flames of this situation hot.

    I'm not ignorant of the situation (read my original post again--I used to be nominally anti-Israel, and your description of 1948 was one of the major reasons for my attitude) and I daresay my opinion one way or the other has exactly NO impact on "keeping the flames of this situation hot."

    There is absolutely no one gaining from this fight and it will continue unabedded if the US keeps funding and loaning money to Israel and Terror organization and communist countries keep funding Palestinians.

    I'm sure our friends across the pond will be happy to know they're communist. The primary source of funding for Arafat, is, as I said, the EU. And Arafat's Palestinian Authority is, as I said, funding the terrorists--not vice versa.

    Know what will fix the situation? The arab states stepping up, condemning Arafat and his ilk and cutting off funding and driving them out, and to pledge--believably--that they're not going to send tank armies anymore. Then someone else has to step in and maintain the peace for the next fifty years, and then maybe, just maybe, the problem will have been solved. Palestinian statehood is also a good idea, but not with the current leadership they have--it's pretty hard to take someone who has chanted "death to Israel" seriously at the negotiations.

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  10. Re:Just like Echelon . . . by demachina · · Score: 1, Flamebait

    "Dick waving? WTF? I've simply pointed out logical consequences of treating the current hyperpower as a world pariah."

    The U.S. is increasingly a world pariah. If you don't want to be treated like one stop acting like one.

    You proposed invading Canada, dude, wasn't anything logical about it. So what if the world cuts off the "U.S's supply of oil". I hate to break it to you but it was already done once by OPEC in 1973 and the U.S. didn't invade Canada.

    I hate to break it to you but the oil we are talking about here mostly belongs to the countries producing it, though there are no doubt a bunch of American/multinational oil companies in the mix.

    If Venezuela for example decides it doesn't want to sell the U.S. its oil because the U.S. is being a dick, and trying to topple Venezuela's government on several occasions is being a dick, its Venezuela's prerogative. Its not the U.S.'s prerogative to expect, demand or take the world's oil. You want oil you better drill for it within your borders.

    "but it is equally stupid to think that the rest of the world can go it alone without the US."

    Why is that? The U.S. used to be a great nation, but maybe the rest of the world doesn't want or need you anymore. Maybe you've outlived your usefullness and now you're just annoying. The U.S. is all consumer and no producer lately. That makes you pretty expendable. The rest of the world has outgrown the Cold War and moved on. The U.S. is still trying to live it though no one else wants to play .... hyperpower .... bah. The world will be better off without superpowers or hyperpowers. They cause more trouble than they solve. If the worlds nations treat each other as peers and equals the world will be a lot better place. Hitler wanted to be a hyperpower too, thats where the problems begin.

    ""sticking it to America" is good sound foreign policy."

    But it is apparently OK for America to run around sticking it to everyone else. It sure is nice to live in your world. You can screw anyone you want, anyone tries to give it back in kind, you just nuke 'em.

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  11. Re:Just like Echelon . . . by chaoticset · · Score: 0, Flamebait
    You characterized him as "a religious extremist." That's just flat wrong.

    That is a fine and wonderful statement, and I agree with you that he's a poor example of a Christian. The problem is that he disagrees, and where you and I are mere U.S. citizens, he is President.


    As a result, his opinion carries a little more weight, despite being based in a cocaine-addled, liquor-pickled brain.

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