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Radio Re-Volt: Broadcasting For The Common Man

An anonymous reader writes "Well, almost for the common man. This Wired article describes a project of the Walker Art Museum in Minneapolis to teach people about the power of radio through the use of cheap low-power FM transmitters. Although each transmitter is limited to a range of about a block, they're cheap enough that I could see them being spread out across a city to cover it with a signal. It'd be interesting to do something like that and feed these inexpensive networks via a netcast. You could use something like this to air programming that commercial stations won't broadcast because it's not commercially viable or because it doesn't fit in with the interests of big media. You can read the above article or go directly to the Radio Re-Volt Web site."

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  1. Oh, I get it... by rts008 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Radio Blogs"...I should probably be scared, yet somehow I'm fascinated!

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  2. First Amendment Recovery by Baldrson · · Score: 3, Interesting
    The government has been defaulting on the First Amendment ever since it started licensing broadcast rights to centralized groups and excluding others from those rights.

    Of course, such small radio stations will not recover the First Amendment -- the Internet has done a lot more to recover First Amendment rights anyway.

    However, even with one person one watt, the failure of the government to protect freedom of religion and indeed impose politically correct beliefs upon the private lives of citizens continues not only unabated but exacerbated through the multiplication of government agencies overseeing out compliance with federal mandates about with whom we must associate in our private affairs.

    The damage caused by that interference has now built up a debt as large as slavery. Such debts are so enormous and the government so unlikely to pay down those debts that basically the current US government cannot claim any legitimacy any longer.

  3. Alternative uses... by terraformer · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Although each transmitter is limited to a range of about a block, they're cheap enough that I could see them being spread out across a city to cover it with a signal.

    Or as a micro station at outdoor festivals, concerts and sporting events to name a few. If you have ever been to Grass Roots, Jazz Fest, or a phish anything, you could see how this could be viral and allow for some interesting intermissions.

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  4. Or you could broadcast on the internet. by Lispy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Of course I like the idea of the classic 80s pirate radiosenders but today you can just broadcast whatever you want via the net and make it available to a much larger audience. I really like those for iTrip like applications, though.

    1. Re:Or you could broadcast on the internet. by Hoplite3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The trouble with web "broadcast" is that it isn't a broadcast. You have to spend bandwidth for every lister connecting. The beauty of radio is that you can send one signal to everyone at once. Also, it is difficult to get proper internet connections in moving vehicles for the price of a radio receiver. If there were a similar initiative where I'm at, I'd love to operate a transmitter.

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  5. A further reminder. . . by TimmyDee · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That culture and new ideas can come from "that place you fly over on a SFO-JFK flight."

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  6. Mandatory RHZ Radio Network mention by MCRocker · · Score: 2, Informative
    This reminds me a lot of the RHZ Radio Network, which aims to

    create a publicly owned and operated broadcast radio network that is built like a peer to peer network.


    RHZ radio is already up and running and streaming content on the internet so that remote stations can rebroadcast it. Very cool stuff!
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  7. Re:Key question? by zipoff · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And I think you do need a license to operate a CB radio.

    No you don't.

    Citizens Band (CB) Radio Service is a private two-way voice communication service for use in personal and business activities of the general public. Its communications range is from one to five miles.

    Licensing
    License documents are neither needed nor issued and there are no age or citizenship requirements. As long as you use only an unmodified FCC certificated CB unit, you are provided authority to operate a CB unit in places where the FCC regulates radio communications.

  8. sync by reverse+flow+reactor · · Score: 3, Interesting

    How does it work out buffering and syncing? How does it avoid "ghosts" or echos in the broadcast when a radio is simulateously received broadcasts from two base stations broadcasting the same broadcast on the same frequency, one getting the source broadcast over a DSL line with some latency, the other over fibre with much less latency?

    I expect that is something that must be solved in software, and, according to the article, this is a hardware device. The original poster's dream of a blanket grass-roots radio station is a little far away. That being said, a small FM broadcaster would be great for broadcasting something in the house and being able to tune in from any simple FM radio around the yard.

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    1. Re:sync by Ford+Prefect · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How does it work out buffering and syncing? How does it avoid "ghosts" or echos in the broadcast when a radio is simulateously received broadcasts from two base stations broadcasting the same broadcast on the same frequency, one getting the source broadcast over a DSL line with some latency, the other over fibre with much less latency?

      Simple - the naïve concepts of universal free speech over an inherently limited electromagnetic spectrum will overcome the physics-induced difficulties of multiple transmitters on the same frequency.

      It doesn't matter if a technology is completely unsuited for a proposed mode of usage; all that matters is that it's the thought that counts. With a good heart, bandwidth shall be greater than what is physically allowed, and overlapping FM broadcasts shall not encounter the same problems discovered years ago by broadcast engineers!

      I've got a radio astronomy background. The electromagnetic spectrum is an incredibly valuable resource, and is heavily regulated for a bloody good reason. Don't mess with it.

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  9. Re:A consideration... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I don't like the idea of more EM radiation flying around. What kind of hazard would all these broadcasts be to people's health? Is it worth even thinking about?

    Switching from an aluminium foil hat to tinfoil should be adequate for a one watt FM transmitter.

    And whenever someone walks near you with a cell phone? They're trying to hack your brain.

  10. Boom boxes with Wi-Fi by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Putting multiple low-power unsynchronized FM transmitters on the same frequency in a small area is going to yield mutual interference, not wide area coverage.

    This would work better with Wi-Fi enabled boom boxes. Wi-Fi can handle multiple transmitters. An Wi-Fi enable Walkman-like device has real possibilities.

  11. Re:Key question? by StateOfTheUnion · · Score: 3, Informative
    No license needed as long as you transmit as less than 250microvolts/m^3 at a distance of three meters. This implies that the transmitter range will be limited to about 200 feet. This would conform to unlicensed very low power transmitters at cited in Part 15 of title 47. These devices are commonly referred to as Part 15 devices.

    The relevant documentation can be found here

  12. MP-308 by RyanFenton · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's a product along these lines I've been interested in checking out.

    It's called the "MP-308 Car USB / FM Transmitter", Here's a review of it.

    Strangely enough, it seems to be the only Car MP3 player out there that takes a USB card - the discontinued "EMPEG" used to have such an input, but it's hard to get now. I've been wanting to use a nice cheap USB stick instead of CDs for the sheer convenience of popping it into the car and listening with an interface that's much more casual than CDs. Instead of plugging into the car's existing audio system, it works by sending out a short-range FM signal across the 87.7-88.7 dial (you select which subrange). That makes setup easy (so long as you have a good radio in the car), but I can't help but wonder how many radio markets have that FM signal open at that range, and what interference this would have with nearby cars. Fortunately, the device is fairly cheap to experiment with - you can find it for around $50 on pricewatch.

    Ryan Fenton

  13. Open Source radio by ir0b0t · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think this is a really interesting comment. But doesn't Lawrence Lessig (who thinks a lot about electronics and free speech) write that private interests pose at least as large if not larger threat to free speech rights on the internet?

    Maybe low power radio will make a comeback in part because of commercialization of the internet? That is, low-power broadcasts represent an affordable, noncommercial space for creative experimentation and communication within a community (a/k/a free speech)?

    The homebrew quality of the transmitter also recalls early descriptions of the personal computer kit-builders in the 70s, also a good time for free speech fans.

    The small scale of the communities recalls Linus Torvalds posting about his Minix-alternative project.

    Its fun stuff. What's not to like?

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  14. Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by Cryofan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    What so many people are missing about the importance of this idea is that the mass media has created a world for us. Big Money used the media to convince Americans that lower taxes for the rich and lower trade barriers and tariffs were going to be good for Americans. Those ideas were found laughable by most Americans 40 years ago. But when the billionaires and corporations fund think tanks and foundations with billions of dollars, funding and developing rightwing talent, they were able to convince Americans to hold beliefs that were actually detrimental to their own well being.

    THat is why this kind of grassroots media is so important.

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    1. Re:Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by Cryofan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      you wrote:

      No not really. There as been public access TV on cable systems for years.


      Interesting insight into your logical processes: you seem to think that public access TV is as influential as all the other mass media networks, just because it exists at all. Go figger!

      It is mostly crap. The Web is mostly drek as well.
      If you give the average person the ability to publish what ever they want guess what you get mostly crap.


      How about we tax some of these rich people and use that money to provide social services to people, like healthcare and housing and stipends to video and radio content providers? I bet if you could award $25K/year to 10K Americans who are interested in providing content to public access tv for free, and then provided the airwave space to run that content, you could build interest and viewership. And you would get content that would present viewpoints that favor the little guy over the celebrity, the solo proprietor over the corporation, the labor union over the CEO, the tariffs and trade barriers over the Race to the Bottom, the progressive taxation system over the REogressive taxation system, and the universal healthcare system over the predatory healthcare system.


      As to the whole BIG MONEY/BIG MEDIA are running your life... I find it strange how many people think that they are so much smarter than everyone else that they have to protect the rest of the world from being fooled. Ever think that they might be just as informed as you but just dissagree.



      No, that never occured to me. I have always known that I am the most intelligent creature ever to exist in the universe, and I will never be surpassed by any other entity, period.

      (for you libertarians--the above was sarcasm....)

      Umm....I WAS one of you, for years, for decades! I thought just you did! And I have always been quite the reader. Yet for almost 2 decades, I bought into the conservative/libertarian/neoliberal/corporatist mindset.

      And I actually grew up in an era when many of the hardcore neoliberal ideas we see in favor today were actually found laughable by most Americans. It is much harder for younger people to see past the mass media smokescreen laid down over the last 30 years--you people grew up in it. It is your world that was created for you by the mass media.


      BTW the Kerry Tax "CUT" for people that make under 200k is only a Tax cut if you have kids. It is an increase in the child tax credit and an education credit for College. Since my wife and I have no children it would be a tax increase for us even though we are making under the $200k. Trust no one. Question everything.


      Well, I think taxes should be raised except for people making under 25K or so.

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    2. Re:Black==White; Slavery==Freedom; by ConceptJunkie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well said, Anonymous.

      The irony is that the same group of people who insist we must forcibly take money from the rich and redistribute it are also statistically less likely to contribute to charities themselves. We can allow people who can afford to pay more do so without being punative about it.

      I'm tired of people acting all morally superior by pretending that redistributing other people's money is charity. I'm tired of hearing that the government is giving you something by taxing you less. I get tired of hearing how the rich don't pay their share. The rich are the ones fueling the engine of our great economy, as well as our big, bloated government.

      "Fair" would be if everyone paid the exact same amount, say $10000 per annum, for all the services our government provides. We are not one level removed from this level (which could be considered a certain percentage of income, say 17% across the board). We are not two levels removed from "fair" which would be a progressive tax where the richer pay a higher percentage. We are three levels removed because people are exempt from taxes for a good chunk of the average citizen's income. I'm all for closing loopholes, but it's rich people that make jobs, not the government, let's stop punishing the successful, especially those who take risks, succeeds and employ others as a result.

      The government wastes more money than it would take to pay a decent salary to every poor person in the country, and there is no politician out there who seems to be seriously working to combat that. If we overthrew the education monopoly that forces poor people to remain poor by not allowing them a decent education we could put a huge dent in poverty by allowing the people who _want_ to work their way out every chance to do so. I'm lucky. I live in a town where the schools are excellent and teachers are professional and competent. Special education services, which my family has required, are well-funded and staffed by professionals who very effective, as well as being caring. I can't see how any student in this system, with a modicum of parental involvement, couldn't succeed.

      But I can afford to live where the schools are good. It's funny that the same people who insist we need to throw more money at schools run by incompetant and corrupt bureaucracies and unions would deny those students affected the opportunity to change schools? If throwing money at the problem worked, Washington, DC would have the best schools in the country, perhaps the world, instead of being that city a borderline third-world country. How many members of Congress who have children in the Washington have them in public schools there? I wouldn't be surprised if it was zero. We can see that sons of Senators often become senators, and sons of Presidents can become Presidents, but it would be also nice for more people to have a chance to rise up from more humble origins by having that good first step. We need to quit chasing the false and destructive dream of equal outcomes (achieved by jiggering the criteria we measure) and focus on equal opportunity. Some people will fail no matter what because they lack will even without handouts sapping it away, but with the right opportunities, most people can succeed. You're not entitled to a good living, you're entitled to bust your ass and have a decent opportunity to make a good living.

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  15. Lines, lines, lines... by magarity · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'd be interested in browsing through their site but the diagonal green and white lines over the text makes reading a chore rather than a pleasure. Looks like a sample from the Bad Interface Hall of Shame.

  16. A beowulf cluster? by poptones · · Score: 4, Interesting
    This isn't something that can be made into a "cluster." Either you have to put them far enough apart there are holes in the signal or you end up with overlapping transmitters just a few hz apart - essentially "stepping on" your own signal. Either that, or you'd have to ask your listener to retune every 500 feet to another channel so you got no overlap.

    Microwatt transmitters have their uses, but I'm afraid that ain't one of them.

    So... what's the point? Do people even listen to the radio anymore? I mean, maybe in their cars - but anywhere else? I've been involved in one way or another with radio since I was a teen and even operated my own fleawatt when I was a kid, but that was a long time before the internet.

    If you want to be a pirate it seems to me you'd reach a lot more people taking the max headroom route. When I was a kid I actually wanted to be a radio pirate - now I see no point in it at all aside from being any easy means of civil disobedience. But now, with the internet and the ease with which we can build a vast video library (not to mention it's just as easy to locate a tv modulator as an fm modulator) I'd much rather be Reg.

    1. Re:A beowulf cluster? by tlhIngan · · Score: 2, Informative

      This isn't something that can be made into a "cluster." Either you have to put them far enough apart there are holes in the signal or you end up with overlapping transmitters just a few hz apart - essentially "stepping on" your own signal. Either that, or you'd have to ask your listener to retune every 500 feet to another channel so you got no overlap.

      Actually, what you really do is tune them to the same frequency - as long as you're using FM. FM has the wierd property that if you have two FM stations transmitting on the same frequency, the stronger station is what's received with little to no interference. This phenomenon (the Capture Effect) results in you only hearing one station on your receiver.

      Thus, all you really need is to keep all the transmitters on the same frequency, and the receiver will seamlessly switch among the microtransmitters. If there are slight errors, as long as they're within the error range acceptable to a receiver, the receiver will cooperate. Might as well exploit all potential advantages. Imagine a city-wide radio transmission using microtransmitters. Quite useful. The only problem is how to distribute the signal to the transmitters...

  17. Good answer by SaDan · · Score: 3, Informative

    CB radio consists of 40 different channels anyone can use.

    Let me tell those of you who have not used a CB radio before, they are incredibly handy to have. I have a good setup on my car (although my transceiver just took a dive, will be upgrading that unit this next week!), and on the open highway in open country, you can send and receive a good distance.

    A CB radio is the best "radar detector" money can buy. Truckers are always on the lookout for speed traps, and will continually call out the position of law enforcement officials, whether they're stationary or on the move.

    Having a CB radio when you're traveling to places you've never been is also a godsend if there's some kind of detour, and you don't know your way around the area. Call out for directions, and a local driver will usually help you out.

    CB radios are also nice in an emergency. There are decent people out there who will help someone when they're on the side of the road, and need help. At the very least, someone will be able to relay the message to law enforcement, or a tow truck or garage in the area.

    Probably the best thing CBs are good for is helping one stay awake while on a long drive. It's always nice to be able to chat with someone to help you stay awake. Usually there's someone else looking for exactly the same thing.

    CBs are a lot of fun, but keep in mind they are public channels. There are a lot of individuals who use incredibly foul language, and some truckers despise people in "four-wheelers", so you won't always get an answer to your questions. Be polite, though, and you'll find someone willing to chat or help out.

    1. Re:Good answer by Bull999999 · · Score: 2

      A CB radio is the best "radar detector" money can buy. Truckers are always on the lookout for speed traps, and will continually call out the position of law enforcement officials, whether they're stationary or on the move.

      Is there a designated channel that the truckers use for this "service"?

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    2. Re:Good answer by K0AZV · · Score: 3, Informative

      Channel 19 (27.185 MHZ)

  18. It's not "out of sync audio" by poptones · · Score: 3, Insightful
    it's "out of sync transmitters." If you have two adjacent transmitters on the same band and the phase of the two signals is not in sync you will get multipath distortion - this is what causes all that shit you hear on FM when you drive through the city near big buildings. Now imagine you're surrounded by 100 signal sources, all of them very low power, all of them swooshing in and out of tune (because these are just cheap devices, not even carefully calibrated transmitters with stable oscillators).

    It just don't work the way the OP "imagined" it. This isn't digital, it's not a "software" problem.

  19. Fun, annoying, powerful, and probably illegal by ikoflexer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1984. The height of communism in at least one Eastern European country. We were teenagers, and very much into AC/DC, Judas Pries, and ever'thing western. One of us knew some electronics; so we got ourselves some parts and soldered together some FM transmitters. Then we broadcasted AC/DC, other heavy metal rock, stupid teenager rants :), and sometimes even Radio Free Europe. All this at random times all around the neighbourhood, so we don't get caught. Those in the know realize how much the secret service hated people like me and my friends (and they really hated AC/DC). And we knew that is was dangerous to taunt them. Nevertheless, it was fun.

    Present: people probably realize how powerful it is to be able to disseminate ideas, even in a limited and local setting. And this type of radio TX is all but forgotten in these day of the web, but it can be much more personalizable. People react different to hearing a real voice for a change. I'm glad to see people pushing the idea of microradio. In fact they should make radio TX free, not hand guns.

  20. Be Careful or the Feds will get you. by sugapablo · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/15699 .php
    http://www.tnimc.org/feature/display/2762/in dex.ph p
    http://santacruz.indymedia.org/feature/display/ 115 95/index.php
    http://www.indybay.org/archives/arch ive_by_id.php? id=1407&category_id=12

    From http://pittsburgh.indymedia.org :
    " Two community radio stations, one in Knoxville, TN and the second in Santa Cruz, CA have been raided in the last 2 weeks by armed US Marshalls (and/or FBI) and the FCC. Last October, San Francisco Police and the FCC raided a popular Bay Area radio station. Despite the federal government's war on community media, radio activists across the US are operating community stations in open defiance of FCC regulations. The FCC strives to squelch community radio so that the airwaves remain free for media conglomerates like right-wing ClearChannel Communications, which owns 1,250 radio stations (six in Pittsburgh), and Viacom-owned Infinty Broadcasting, which owns 180 stations (four in Pittsburgh).

    Also, in Pittsburgh, two broadcasters were shut down in the past week due to FCC intimidation. South Side Radio broadcasting at very low power on 102.9FM, and "WCSA Radio" in Plum, PA (Allegheny County, east of Pittsburgh near Oakmont). Indymedia Rustbelt Radio, our biweekly news program on (licensed) WRCT 88.3FM, will feature reports on these actions in Pittsburgh and around the US this week on Tuesday, October 5th at 6pm.

    Next week the National Association of Broadcasters, a powerful lobby group, will meet in San Diego. In opposition to their corporate agenda, independent media activists will be holding a four day convergence of workshops, speakers, and actions to tell the NAB "We Want Our Airwaves Back!"."

  21. Re:Or you could use Icecast and reach globally. by kevinb04240 · · Score: 2, Informative

    One could use icecast and reach globally - given one has the bandwidth to do so. On a normal DSL connection, however, you're limited to < 1MBit upstream. So, you could have (at most) about 8 people worldwide listening to your broadcast. THEN you have to worry about licensing fees if you're really thinking about setting anything viable up. I help operate at a 13-watt radio station at the University I work at. We are pretty popular in the radius of a few miles that we reach. Last year we added a Shoutcast stream that has proven pretty popular, but we had to limit the quality to 24k and the number of listeners so we wouldn't saturate the University's outgoing pipe. Bandwidth alone, we pay about $800/yr in licensing to ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, and SoundExchange for over-the-air and streaming rights. We're lucky, as an University, our streaming is often including in our over-the-air license and we don't have to pay per song played either. My point. Streaming is great, but there are still a number of hurdles to jump.

  22. Re:Key question? by connorbd · · Score: 2

    You do need a license for aviation and some marine operation though. (The rules for marine operation are pretty strict -- license required for boats over a certain size and ship-to-shore operation, as well as HF radiotelephone. I don't know the specifics on aviation.)

  23. Coordinated Broadcasts by nurb432 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Coordinating with other 'micro broadcasters' so that you blanket a city, might pose a legal problem.. Since the intent was for you to have limited coverage of your content..

    No, I don't have the law handy, but .. I would bet there is something in there to account for such an idea.

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  24. Ramsey electronics - much better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you are going to try something like this, Ramsey electronics has a MUCH better quality transmitter. It broadcasts in stereo, not mono, and is crystal controlled, so it wont drift in frequency and need to be tuned like they recommend in the article. The maximum output is right at the legal limit of 1/10th of a watt.

    They also have compressor/limiters that make the audio sound louder (STC1C).

    http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/hk/default.asp? pa ge=amfm

    I personally have the FM25 (predecessor to the 25B) - the audio quality is comparable to commercial stations - $119 in kit form. Assemble it, plug the line/speaker output of your computer into it, start winamp/itunes in shuffle play, and you are on the air. (and no, I don't work for them)

  25. Its an art project by gone.fishing · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I live in Minneapolis and am pretty sure that this project will have absolutly no effect on the population at large. I see it as an "art project" done by the Walker ART center. The majority of these transmitters will be used for a brief time and shelved. The participants in the project will feel that they have learned something about radio and will have shared a common experience and that's about it.

    Commercial and to a lesser extent public radio in the Twin Cities is pretty big thing. We have a couple of "giants in the industry" here with two AM stations that are historic giants of the industry (WCCO-AM and KSTP-AM) both 50,000 watt clear channel stations and an FM station that consistantly captures the highest market share of any station in the country (KQRS-FM). On top of these giants, there are many other stations on both the AM and FM bands that cater to nearly every taste imagineable. Our airwaves are crowded.

    Over the years we have had our share of pirate and "underground" stations. Most of them have gone off of the air before I even heard them - but the several that I did get a chance to hear reminded me more of "Bob and Ted's Excellent Adventure" than anything else. Nothing special at all.

    I do believe that there is a major problem with public airwaves here and probably in most every major market. The stations are locked into playing the same old stuff. I really do think that stations should be required to devote a portion of their broadcast time to programming local and new talent. They are too locked into the charts, the major music labels and other things that sort of homoginize and blend the music into pablum for the masses.

    There is a whole lot wrong with radio but a bunch of low power transmitters aren't going to do anything to fix it.

  26. Ummm... not exactly by poptones · · Score: 3, Informative
    What you describe is fine if you're just talking about talking. But one would assume the objective here is to be able to broadcast something people will enjoy listening to - and "capture" is limited by a factor known as capture ratio and it's not infinite nor perfect not consistent from radio to radio, which means you cannot "engineer it in." And in the transition you get exactly what's described: multipath distortion; picket fencing; swooshing... people finding another station.

  27. Bandwidth and radio astronomy by DaChesserCat · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are certain parts of the bandwidth which are "off limits" to everyone, public or private.

    Take a look here for some of the frequencies.

    The idea is that, if we want to take clear radio-frequency "images" of distant images, it makes sense to avoid polluting the sections of the bandwidth where those images are to be found. No, I don't think any of these lower-power trasmitters will be broadcasting directly in these ranges. Unfortunately, most transmitters also transmit harmonics of their main frequency, at lower power. Consequently, everyone gives these frequencies, AND their lower harmonics, a pretty wide berth.

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  28. Yes, exactly as Declared at Independence by Baldrson · · Score: 2, Insightful
    You are quoting the Declaration of Independence which lays out the foundation for the rest of the official documents of the United States and itself is founded on its first paragraph:
    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
    It is unambiguous. Equality does not imply integration and indeed must allow separation. All men are equal by the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God to separation entirely at their discretion. This is the belief that most directly contradicts allowance for slavery in Article IV, Section 2, clause 3 of the United States Constitution, and thereby allowed the Union to attack and win over the Confederacy by undercutting the legal legitimacy of the Confederacy to declare separation when they themselves would not allow the separation of slaves from their "owners".

    Yes. You're right. I believe in the equal right of any people to separate from others as declared in the first paragraph of the Declaration of Independence. It overrides what any Men may put down on paper.

    Indeed the entire point of the First Amendment to the US Constitution was to minimize the need for war against or between governmental entities by allowing people to peaceably separate from one another to the greatest extent possible within the laboratory of the States. The founders understood scientific method -- and the need for control groups to discover what works and what doesn't work in social experiments, involving beliefs about how we should live our lives, as well as physical experimentation. If you cannot allow people to voluntarily enter into their own experiments and impose upon them your perverse ideas of what constitutes "equality" then you have just declared war on the Declaration of Independence and on freedom itself.

    That they had been corrupted by slavery in no way detracts from the importance of their overall vision.

  29. Re:"Beliefs?" Like "all men created equal?" by Baldrson · · Score: 2, Insightful
    And what the FUCK does any of this have to do with "bootleg radio stations?"

    It has everything to do with it only almost 70 years too late. The Telecommunications Act of 1934, by recentralizing control of disemination of ideas under the new technologies of broadcast, undid the Guttenberg revolution. The Guttenberg revolution was the undoing of the theocratic control of Europe which was maintained largely through monopoly on the disemination of ideas through the written word. It was the theocracy of the pre-Reformation era that controled the armies of monks who scribed the books and handed them out to the priesthood to interpret for their "flocks".

    You are simply a new form of "sheep" indoctrinated by the new theocracy that has grown up in the centralization of media.