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New NetBSD Port, NetBSD/Iyonix
agent dero writes "Gavan Fantom of NetBSD, has imported a new port into the NetBSD source tree, the new NetBSD/iyonix port.
The IYONIX pc is an ARM-based desktop machine. It offers virtually silent operation, low heat, and all the other odds and ends offered by a modern PC. NetBSD is one port closer to a NetBSD/toaster port."
a first post port!
http://Lenny.com
Well, port like port, they will make NetBSD run on everything. Having quite open ARM machine with existing Linux port makes is trivial for porting gurus to port NetBSD to it.
But the machine itself...? Oh my God, why is this piece of trash SO expensive?
I mean, you can buy VIA EPIA low-power, low-noise for a fraction of that price. If you want to go kinky, you can buy standard size ATX PowerPC board capable of running MorphOS (Amiga OS clone) and Linux for 415eur (G3 600MHz) or 670eur (G4 1GHz).
So, aside from running Risc OS, why would I want to buy that?
Robert
Bastard Operator From 193.219.28.162
NetBSD is one port closer to a NetBSD/toaster port.
Now only if it were useful as a desktop OS...
-Adam
Well, almost. The toaster was actually a peripheral, but my friend actually put an EPROM on board the toaster, which stored toast settings and the like. I don't know the details, but the project involved some pretty low level NetBSD stuff. I remember the EPROM actually contained some ASCII that, when piped down to the machine - my friend's desktop - contained Python scripts that gave output to the screen, such as "Your toast is ready." Slightly off-topic, I know.
--"As the cum jerked violently onto her tender feet, the owner of the cock was losing consciousness. The intense orgasm brought about by the light caress of her soft arched feet, only on the head of his cock, was too much. She barely knew what she was doing. Just casually - ignorantly - strocking a cock with her foot, feeling mildly sexy, and reading a magazine, 'til her legs were covered in a sexy cosmetic. O, how she loved the smell of several layers of stale cum on her sexy, unwashed legs and feet and pink painted toes. She went 'round to the shops in see-through high-heels, her legs still stripping with cum, the smell of old cum between her toes overpowering. She needed this. It was her life." - Peter S. Cunningham, hidden in Rot-13 in the index page of his UNIX Reference For Modern Architectures, 1993
I also tend to agree, but i rarely see reasonable priced ones at all...
I guess its all about 'mass production' compared to 'limited market'...
---- Booth was a patriot ----
What about a microwave port? Or perhaps a refrigerator?
No wait, I got it...
UNIVAC port. Beat THAT, n00bies!!
Machines called 'toasters' (by the faithful) already based upon NetBSD (long long ago, see the aknowledgements in a DataOnTap manual near you).
...an Englishman in London.
October 10, 2004
Dear Mr. Secretary:
I am submitting my resignation from the list of living operating systems (effective immediately) because I cannot in good conscience compete with Linux.
I have failed:
--To support SMP
--To generate media attention
--To spawn a professionally managed distribution
--To innovate
--To be relevant.
Throughout the globe *BSD is becoming associated with in-fighting and sloppy coding. My disregard for views of other operating systems, borne out by my neglect of technical competence, is giving birth to an anti-BSD century.
I joined the operating system world because I love technology. Respectfully, Mr. Secretary, I am now bringing this calling to a close, with a heavy heart but for the same reason that I embraced it.
Sincerely,
*BSD
Dead Operating System
http://www.funnyhumor.com/jokes/254.html
"Go to CNN [for a] spell-checked, fact-checked summary" -- CmdrTaco
But don't many toasters only have 1 bit of memory? And that bit tends to zero itself after a minute or two. Can NetBSD be ported to a machine with only one bit?
I'd like to see that.
I rarely criticize things I don't care about.
One of these. The wonders of mini-ITX and people with far too much time on their hands...
-ReK
md5sum -c reality.md5
reality: FAILED
md5sum: WARNING: 1 of 1 computed checksum did NOT match
I think something has died.
In Linux one can plug and unplug PCI cards, even PCI controllers, CPUs, etc.
You can unplug *CPUs*?
Now, *that's* one very useful feature. Say no more: we're switching to linux right now!
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (30 Sep)
Another crippling bombshell hit the BSD community, when netcraft confirmed BSD is Dying.
~~~ LinSux ~~~
(brought to you by FreeBSDrules inc.)
LinSux, our brand new distro, is based on *every* existing Linux distribution. Indeed, as the name suggests, it's based on the very *common denominator* of all of them.
Since we felt that the other Linux OS's weren't patchworked enough, we decided to assemble an OS out of pieces coming from every possible Linux distribution. Why? Well, cos we totally *love* chaos & anarchy. To tell the truth, it's because in a chaotic environment our hacking lameness, poor designing skills & shallow academic computer-science background (if any...) have a fat chance of getting unnoticed.
But let's review our achievements. This is the main one:
We modified the Linux IP stack, and we managed to make it up to 0.025% slower than the original.
This is, indeed, an amazing result: until the last minute, we weren't very confident this was actually possible. Let me take the chance to thank all the people involved in this long and costly process: guys, that would have been impossible without your efforts, thank you so much. There isn't really room enough for all your names, but I wanna let you know that your sacrifices proved the point: even the most hopeless task is within reach when you have faith. There'll always be a place in my heart for all of you.
Last but not least: we felt that around Linux there wasn't enough political crap.
The fact concerned us a lot, and we decided to take action: now, our license requires you to declare explicitly that you're a lamer, and that you hate the following:
1) proprietary software;
2) people who have ideas and use them to get rich;
3) Bill Gates.
Sorry Linux users, declaring it implicitly is no longer enough.
Oh, btw... we sincerely hope you'll never take a look at our code. :-D
But, should it happen, remember that cleanness, performance, solidity and reliability are booooring!
The LinSux developers team
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD
Go back to play with linux, cute little kid! :-D
*cough* I said "no txt".
I am a BSD user,
I try hard to be brave.
That is a tall order,
BSD's foot is in the grave.
I tap on my toy keyboard,
and whistle a kappy tune.
But being happys so hard to do
when BSD died so soon
Each morning I wake and softly sob
nightfall finds me crying.
not only am I a zit-faced slob
but BSD is dying.
5.3-STABLE has been tagged!
... cute little poet. :-D
Last Disk" [to the tune of Last Kiss by pearl jam]
Oh where, oh where is my BSD?
I just installed beta 5.3
It's gone to heaven, so I've got to be good,
So I can see the OS when I leave this world.
I'd started to load it in my roommate's Dell,
the hard drive was taking it pretty well.
During the load, it crashed the heads,
the distro was stalled, *BSD was dead.
I couldn't stop, so I yanked the cord.
I'll never forget, the sound , oh Lord--
the screamin' drives, the speaker's blast,
the painful scream that I-- heard last.
Oh where, oh where is my *BSD?
That load took it away from me.
It's gone to heaven, so I've got to be good,
So I can see *BSD when I leave this world.
When I woke up, the sparks were pourin down.
There were admins standin all around.
Some burned-out chips had fallen on the tiles,
but somehow I found my disc of files.
I lifted the CD, the devil winked and said,
"Load me darlin just a little while."
I held it close, I kissed the label--our last kiss.
I found the love that i knew i had missed
well now it's gone, even though I loaded it right
I lost my *BSD and the Dell-- that night.
Oh where, oh where is my *BSD?
I tried to load it yesterday.
It's gone to heaven so I've got to be good,
So I can see *BSD when I leave this world.
When I next went to Slashdot, where so many had trolled.
Any so many times "BSD's Dead!" was told.
Tears fallin' on the keyboard, I checked "Anonymous"
and I eulogized *BSD, in memory, of us....
When I logged on next, my post was modded down.
In my heartbreak and sorrow, treated like a clown....
No matter what the mods do, it's in my heart and head
We'll always know "*BSD IS DEAD!"
Oh where, oh where is my *BSD?
I tried to load it yesterday.
It's gone to heaven so I've got to be good,
So I can see *BSD when I leave this world.
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (30 Sep)
look... a cute little singer, too! :-D
(oh, please... learn to spell "revival". I hate ignorant trolls.)
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It is official; Netcraft now confirms: *BSD is dying
One more crippling bombshell hit the already beleaguered *BSD community when IDC confirmed that *BSD market share has dropped yet again, now down to less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of a recent Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood.
FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers. The sudden and unpleasant departures of long time FreeBSD developers Jordan Hubbard and Mike Smith only serve to underscore the point more clearly. There can no longer be any doubt: FreeBSD is dying.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS dilettante dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dead.
Fact: *BSD is dying
how *bored* were you when you wrote that?
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD
Hello,
Recently I had an experience to use NetBSD. I had heard many great
things about it, and was excited to replace a dead Linux firewall with
this OS. Unfortunately as things turned out, NetBSD proved to be more
nightmare than solution.
When not attending classes at my community college to get my
degree, I work part-time at a printshop. Our Linux box
there finally gave up the ghost. I'd heard that NetBSD was incredibly
secure so I talked my boss into putting that on as a replacement.
Part of the appeal of NetBSD was its history. A fork of the Linux
kernel, it was originally intended for Steve Job's failed NeXT cube.
Recently, its found a home amongst the ignorant and easily-fooled as a
firewall OS (later on, we'll see how Job's reached back to use NetBSD
in OSX. This will be important later!) BSD was also famous for an
incident in the early 80s, where they were sued by Microsoft when the
BSD developers stole the TCP/IP stack from Microsoft's PC-DOS.
Once my boss gave approval, I quickly headed over to Netbsd.com and
downloaded the ISOs from the web site. Our box was pretty
state-of-the-art, a two-CPU'ed Pentium III. Installing it went pretty
flawless and I had high hopes for our new firewall.
Almost immediately however I began to have concerns. I noticed no
where did NetBSD display the terms of the GPL. Since its based on
Linux, this should be a requirement. Apparently the history of theft
amongst the BSD developers still continues!
I was even more shocked to learn that the ipchains rules we'd
carefully setup on our Linux box would not work on NetBSD! Perhaps
NetBSD is still using a SHARE-based networking security from the DOS
TCP/IP stack! Or more likely they just haven't caught up to Linux and
are still using iptables.
Whatever the case, almost immediately our box was rooted. NetBSD
proved to be aptly named as the box was "Net" to the entire world.
Later on I would find out that despite its claims of being secure,
NetBSD's default configuration appears to start up every service
known to man! I find it shocking that an OS commonly used for
firewalls would have BIND running by default.
Then there was the NetSSH holes. I would later learn that NetBSD has
a history of remote exploits. Perhaps they should work with the team
at RedHat, as RH knows how to secure their distros.
After spending a week trying to patch a leaky firewall, I gave up. I
found an Mac SE/30 and put OSX on it. I then installed Norton Personal
Firewall. That became our firewall and I'm proud to say that its been
happily running for two weeks without a single incident. I find it
funny that despite NetBSD users arrogant claims of superiority, a
humble SE/30, running an OS that's loosely based on NetBSD, performed
much better. Perhaps its another failing of Net source versus
commercial software. Whatever the case, its clear that NetBSD has a
long ways to go before it can be taken seriously.
It's sooo nice to see people make big efforts to prove a fake point, and then push them back with one line of truth. :-)
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD
P.S. Windows is lame (agreed), but you're not a windows user.
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (30 Sep) :-)
(X) It does not support SMP
(X) It does not support any networking besides Token-Ring
(X) It requires you to know C and asm
(X) There is no commercial support
(X) No-one uses it
(X) It is Dying
Do it. Your community needs good coders - badly. :-D
NetBSD again sets Internet2 Land Speed World Record (30 Sep)
Yeah. What is a toaster exactly?
I don't want to start a holy war here, but what is the deal with you BSD fanatics? I've been sitting here at my freelance gig in front of a BSD box (a PIII 800 w/512 Megs of RAM) for about 20 minutes now while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 20 minutes. At home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this BSD box, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. If that.
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Emacs Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various BSD machines, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a BSD box that has run faster than its Windows counterpart, despite the BSD machines faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 800 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that BSD is a "superior" machine.
BSD addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a BSD over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD
:-D
Nearly 2.5 Million Active Sites running FreeBSD
In the comments to this story (may 2004: the one with the first I2-Land Speed Record established by NetBSD), the researchers say explicitly that they tested the other OS's as well, and while FreeBSD and NetBSD IP stacks are more or less equivalent, the Linux one performed pretty poorly.