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Bush and Kerry Supporters Have Separate Realities

corngrower writes "A report by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland correlates voters' perceptions of world attitudes and events with their choice in candidates. It's an interesting read, and shows voters supporting Kerry as being more in tune with the events and world attitudes surrounding the war in Iraq."

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  1. Re:Nice Story! by TAGmclaren · · Score: 5, Interesting

    On the subject of partisan sniping, I particularly like Bush's new ads, the one's with all the wolves circling the camera, implying that the terrorists want Kerry to win.

    Never mind the fact that Bush just got endorsed by Iran; the link is in my .sig. In fact, Iran and Russia are the only countries that seem to be supporting Bush. The rest of the world loves America, but wants Bush out.

    I hope it is made so on the 2nd.

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  2. Bush supporters should be Kerry supporters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    According to the survey, based on the views of Bush supporters or at least what they believe Bush believes in, it seems like most of them should really be Kerry supporters.

  3. Faith based politics by ankura · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds reasonable to me. As this nytimes piece goes in considerable detail in,
    most of Bush's politics/decisions are about faith and not fact. Anybody who votes for him has
    to share his worldview.

    1. Re:Faith based politics by ankura · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > See, we have this strange faith in democracy.

      > We have a lot of things we have faith in. What do you believe in?

      Faith != belief. Faith is belief without evidence.

  4. A very similar study regarding Fox News watchers by quantax · · Score: 5, Informative

    This reminded me of another report done by the same group regarding misperceptions people had based upon their source of news, most notibly Fox News:

    "The polling, conducted by the Program on International Policy (PIPA) at the University of Maryland and Knowledge Networks, also reveals that the frequency of these misperceptions varies significantly according to individuals' primary source of news. Those who primarily watch Fox News are significantly more likely to have misperceptions, while those who primarily listen to NPR or watch PBS are significantly less likely."

    Source: http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/100403F.shtml

    The original source document (PDF):
    http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02 _03_Press.pdf

    While these reports should not be correlated without further study, its rather indicative of how the public is misinformed by certain parts of the media; though I will admit that it does swing both ways for both liberals and conservatives, but Fox takes it to another level when it comes to TV news.

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    "What can a thoughtful man hope for mankind on Earth, given the experience of the past million years? Nothing." -Bokonon
  5. The facts are biased. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    Corddry: How does one report the facts in an unbiased way when the facts themselves are biased?

    Stewart: I'm sorry, Rob, did you say the facts are biased?

    Corddry: That's right Jon. From the names of our fallen soldiers to the gradual withdrawal of our allies to the growing insurgency, it's become all too clear that facts in Iraq have an anti-Bush agenda.

  6. Re:A Bush supporter speaks by j-turkey · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is highly controversial evidence that Iraq had a role in 9/11. For example, there is the infamous alleged meeting in Prague between an Al Queda operative and Mohammed Atta. There is also alleged Iraqi involvement in one of the major organizational meetings for 9/11.

    Is an unsupported allegation justification for going to war? Would you condemn an individual to death over an unsupported allegation? What about an entire army of humans?

    If you go deep enough into the 9/11 report, that is in fact what it says: There is no proof of Iraqi involvement. Doesn't mean there's no involvement, just no proof.

    There's no proof that you or I were involved in the 9/11 attacks. That doesn't mean that we were not involed, it just means that there was no proof. Blindly assuming that we have involvement without a shred of real evidence would not only be a meaningless thing to say, but it would also be a reckless assumption. If there is no proof, there is no proof and we should just accept that. If an investigation uncovers some solid evidence, sobeit...but until then, we can't justify war based on a useless suspicion based on the idea that two enemies MUST have colluded. That theory just doesn't make any sense.

    Its new police and military are starting to vigourously attack the Al Queda members in the country.

    Interesting that you should say this, I recently heard an interview with a Canadian journalist who was released after a long and frightening kidnapping in Iraq. He said that the American-paid Iraqi police were supporting the insurgents. (Clearly, this can't be the case with all of the Iraqi police, but these new cops don't sound like all they're cracked up to be). This is just part of the rosy picture that the Bush administration paints of our occupation. The intel that told us to go to Iraq is now telling us that the best case scenario is a status quo in the insurgency, and the worst case is a full civil war. A civil war means another Vietnam, or the possibility of pulling out and accepting an Islamic dictatorship. Stop me if I'm wrong, but isn't that why we supported Iraq and Saddam Hussein in the 70's and 80's? To stop the Islamic dictatorship in Iran? Didn't we topple the Taliban for similar reasons (Islamic Fundamentalist dictatorship sponsoring terrorism)? Is there a chance that we could have mitigated the threat that Saddam posed without a war? I'm not suggesting that they were nice guys and I'm not suggesting that there weren't any atrocities going on there, but this war is not about liberation or Saddam's atrocities against his people.

    In the end, I support President Bush not because he's always right - of course he's not - but because he is steadfast and resolute when confronting our enemies.

    I have a few issues with this. Is steadfast and resolute a good thing when you're just wrong? The fact that this president does not seem to have the capability to analyze a situation and realize that it's not working...or come up with a plan B -- just in case (for example) his cabinet was wrong and they won't throw roses at our soldier's feet. He seems unable to plan for reality. When reality happens, he spins it into good news -- like everyhting is peachy in Iraq (except for the hard work that our soldiers have to do). Reality happened and our reasons for going into Iraq magically changed from WMD to terror. When they failed to provide a link, it changed to liberating the Iraqi people. When people disagreed with his reasons for going to war, Bush spun it into suggesting the naysayers they were pro-Saddam. His only admitted failure in Iraq was winning too fast. This does not seem like a critical thinker. This seems like a stubborn man, who people are willing to stand behind because they're afraid of not doing enough. I call this "dosomethingism". A paranoia where people want

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    -Turkey