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America's Most Connected Campuses

foghorn666 writes "Forbes and the Princeton Review have posted their list of America's Most Connected Campuses, which measures the technological capabilities of the country's 357 top colleges and universities. They're looking at infrastructure stuff like whether wireless networks are available, if you can register for classes online, and so on - not really curriculum. But the results are interesting, and the winner not a huge surprise: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute."

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  1. Not a surprise? by Frisky070802 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    RPI's not a huge surprise? I expected MIT at number one... not below the top 25. Same for many others. WTF?

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    1. Re:Not a surprise? by the+quick+brown+fox · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I believe there were some mistakes in the MIT data.

      Does the school provide Web pages?
      Can students register online?

      Both these answers were "No" according to the survey, but they should be "Yes".

    2. Re:Not a surprise? by qplnm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And what about CMU? A few years back they were considered way up there, if not #1. T1 to all the dorms by my freshman year (1996), wireless at big chunks of campus in 99, hell we had a robot that roamed the halls freely and took commands issued via a web site.

      Perhaps in the past few years there has been less of a focus on technology than there used to be.

    3. Re:Not a surprise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      MIT has had multiple T3's since at least 1996. Hell, most off-campus fraternity houses each had their own T1 line, paid for by the school--and this was before DSL or cable. (Not sure what they have now.)

    4. Re:Not a surprise? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      RPI had T3s in 96 as well. As surprising as MIT not being higher, it's no surprise RPI would be very high on the list. It's always been rich in using technology. I'll admit though that ethernet access in dorm rooms was limited back then. I think only about 1/3 had in room access. Others were a serial connection. Most items such as Bursar and Register had online access even in '92.

      I still remember discovering live video streaming in a CS class. Some server at MIT had the OJ trial streaming live and I was watching it in the lab at RPI.

    5. Re:Not a surprise? by MaestroRC · · Score: 5, Interesting
      But still, there are gross inconsistencies with the data on there when compared to reality. For example, my university, The University of Tennessee at Knoxville, has the following:

      Is there a Wireless Network? (No)

      Well if our "nomad" network is not wireless, I don't know what is. And it's been around for about 7 years, starting out as a pre-802.11 network and then upgraded to 802.11b, and just this year upgraded to 802.11g.

      Does the school provide web pages? (No)

      Every student (rather, every person who has a valid NetID) can sign up for a free page and unix access. You just fill out a simple form and they send you the account info.

      Does the school stream audio or video of any courses? (No)

      We have a distance education program that streams audio out from a shitton of courses, including one of the classes I'm taking right now. I know this because it's annoying when something screws up and my professor has to take care of that rather than teaching me. And my freshman year they were streaming video online of my engineering fundamentals course, and storing it so we could review lectures later.

      Is a computer ethics policy in place for the school? (No)

      Then what is this?

      Do students have access to Usenet newsgroups? (No)

      Well, according to this, we've had usenet access since at least 1995, but I would venture a guess that we had it earlier, since our first network access was a government partnership with Oak Ridge National Labs.

      Does the school provide multimedia equipment? (No)

      Well, what about this? Or if they're thinking of in classrooms, almost every classroom has a projector and Smartboard (thing you can write on), and many have sound systems. In classrooms.

      Does the school offer courses in emerging technologies? (No)

      What the hell. You know, I think that that Internet2 Link we have, and all the related CS courses, including a project for a new file system structure for network storage is just for fun.

      Does the school stream its campus radio or TV stations? (No)
      Uhmmmm.... Try here. Damn these people either suck or we suck at reporting.


      And I know for a fact we have more than 1000 computers that are provided by the university for students to use. We have almost that many in the library *alone*.

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  2. Sad commentary... by potus98 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That every year I hear the rankings of Top 10 party schools in Time, Newsweek, and other mainstream media outlets. I never hear a thing about campus rankings on issues that actually matter unless I turn to (relatively) obscure news sources like /.

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  3. What about most secured? by TrollBridge · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With as much emphasis as the survey put on wireless networking, I'd think good security would be one of the most important factors in a well-wired campus.

    It's sad that something this high-profile apparently dismisses the importance of network security.

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  4. Ha by igzat · · Score: 0, Interesting

    I'm not surprised to see that Rutgers isn't even listed in the rankings. That school always was cheap when it came to technology spending. Even now the liabraries still have computer running Pentium I processors. For shame...

  5. More computers than students??? by wilsonjd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    According to this article, Dartmoth has 12000 computers for 4000 students???

  6. Re:Someone Think Of The Students... by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Or, often more importantly, of the faculty.

    I teach at a good sized state university, and we were well ahead of the curve in being "wired" (we could easily answer "yes" to almost all the questions on the forbes survey). But I have colleagues who don't know how to use their computers. While there are attempts to train faculty and draw them more into the information age, there are still far too many (usually older) faculty members (and staff) who are out of touch technologically. Department pages are very slow to be updated on the web (if they exist at all), students freely plagiarize from online sources knowing their professor won't use google to catch them, and computer labs are cesspools of viral activity because the OS's aren't kept up to date.

    What's worse, the university has bought into inflexible proprietary software solutions such as PeopleSoft, WebCT, and Blackboard to try to manage tasks which would be much better served by more flexible tools. I don't know as much about Peoplesoft (other than that I hate using it and it doesn't always work with my Mac), but my experience with the online teaching tools is that we would have been much better off with open source solutions like classweb, being developed at UCLA.

    But of course it's a lot more difficult to measure such things on this sort of survey.

  7. Re:not to nitpick... by RPI+Geek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Do you think that the SS#s might have been the student ID #s? I remember a few years ago that a law was passed in NY requiring schools to NOT use SS#s as their student ID#s. Because of this RPI switched to another 9-digit number.

    I'd initially blame the professor who posted the page because there are places to post them electronically that can only be accessed through a password/login. Then I'd blame the IT staff because posting names matched to ID#s is a violation of RPI's privacy policy.

    RPI's network is fairly open because there are a lot of students there who try writing experimental programs (remember the Phynd controversy a few years ago? That was only one of 3 search engines at the time) on the network, and disallowing packets to/from certain ports would hinder a lot of these programs. I've gone to friends' campuses and found their networks to be much more restrictive, but also much slower than RPI's. RPI had 10 Mbps to ALL campus buildings and 100Mbps to a select few in 1999, not a bad accomplishment!

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  8. Re:RPI by cnj · · Score: 2, Interesting
    it's ah... not like it's freaking New Jersey, or anything.

    Because Troy sure is nicer than Princeton, and damn if I don't love having it snow during commencement ceremonies in May!

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  9. Questions that would have been relevant by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Here's some survey questions that might have actually meant something for this survey:

    - You asked if dorm rooms are networked and if there is a wireless network, but what is the bandwith of said connections?
    - What is the bandwith of the pipes leading to the rest of the internet from the campus (i.e. Campuses on internet2 should get some kudos on this survey.)
    - What is the average disk space provided for student accounts?
    - What is the bandwith/download limit on student accounts hosted by the server? (It is not enough to just ask if each student can have a web page, if they are all extremely limited.)
    - Is there a standardized setup (hardware or OS) everyone must have (if Yes, this is a mark AGAINST. Intelligent Campus IT departments can and should be able to handle the heterogenious network that best serves the students.)
    - What percentage of the 1024 well-known service port numbers are firewalled off and thus impossible to use from student's connections? (A campus that has cable laid everywhere, but only allows web clients and nothing else is less connected than one that will let you get at the full range of services the internet provides.)

    From the questions you see above, you can probably guess that when it comes to being more "connected", I am of the opinion that less policing equals more connected. The locked-down abilities should be the minimum that basic security will allow.

    And if people running big servers from their dorm rooms is a concern, that should only be policed by tracking bandwith usage and responding when it is abused, NOT by just automatically making a particular protocol verbotten regardless of how much traffic a student is generating with it.

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  10. Data Inaccuracy by SlashdotOgre · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I have to call into question the accuracy of this survey. Under my campus, UC San Diego, they have 4 answers that should be yes marked as no: Is there a wireless network? Does the school provide Web pages? Does the school support handheld computers? Does the school stream audio or video of any courses? I know for a fact all these should be marked yes as I use the wireless network (which has been up for at least 4 years) daily with a PDA, have had classes which post audio & video copies of all lectures, and use the web space provided on one of the campus' Solaris servers for my personal web page.

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