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America's Most Connected Campuses

foghorn666 writes "Forbes and the Princeton Review have posted their list of America's Most Connected Campuses, which measures the technological capabilities of the country's 357 top colleges and universities. They're looking at infrastructure stuff like whether wireless networks are available, if you can register for classes online, and so on - not really curriculum. But the results are interesting, and the winner not a huge surprise: Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute."

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  1. Not a surprise? by Frisky070802 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    RPI's not a huge surprise? I expected MIT at number one... not below the top 25. Same for many others. WTF?

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    1. Re:Not a surprise? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 4, Funny


      MIT is in Cambridge Mass, where there are lots of interesting things to do. RPI is in... Troy, NY. I'd spend all my time on the Internet too if I were there.

    2. Re:Not a surprise? by QuantumFTL · · Score: 4, Informative

      RPI's not a huge surprise? I expected MIT at number one... not below the top 25. Same for many others. WTF?

      Well, unlike MIT, RPI is much much more interested in technology and applied science than pure science - it is an "engineer factory" so to speak. Not only that, but their campus is tiny. A few wireless access points is all it takes to cover the entire place, unlike my school (Cornell University).

      When I was there last, it was hard to find a place without wireless or ethernet available. Very cool. Good job RPI!

      BTW, if you wonder what they do there, I was talking to Freeman Dyson the other day and he seemed to be very excited about their lightcraft - UFO looking space ships powered by earth-mounted laser generators. He seems to think they are much more likely to work than space elevators.

      Cheers,
      Justin

    3. Re:Not a surprise? by MaestroRC · · Score: 5, Interesting
      But still, there are gross inconsistencies with the data on there when compared to reality. For example, my university, The University of Tennessee at Knoxville, has the following:

      Is there a Wireless Network? (No)

      Well if our "nomad" network is not wireless, I don't know what is. And it's been around for about 7 years, starting out as a pre-802.11 network and then upgraded to 802.11b, and just this year upgraded to 802.11g.

      Does the school provide web pages? (No)

      Every student (rather, every person who has a valid NetID) can sign up for a free page and unix access. You just fill out a simple form and they send you the account info.

      Does the school stream audio or video of any courses? (No)

      We have a distance education program that streams audio out from a shitton of courses, including one of the classes I'm taking right now. I know this because it's annoying when something screws up and my professor has to take care of that rather than teaching me. And my freshman year they were streaming video online of my engineering fundamentals course, and storing it so we could review lectures later.

      Is a computer ethics policy in place for the school? (No)

      Then what is this?

      Do students have access to Usenet newsgroups? (No)

      Well, according to this, we've had usenet access since at least 1995, but I would venture a guess that we had it earlier, since our first network access was a government partnership with Oak Ridge National Labs.

      Does the school provide multimedia equipment? (No)

      Well, what about this? Or if they're thinking of in classrooms, almost every classroom has a projector and Smartboard (thing you can write on), and many have sound systems. In classrooms.

      Does the school offer courses in emerging technologies? (No)

      What the hell. You know, I think that that Internet2 Link we have, and all the related CS courses, including a project for a new file system structure for network storage is just for fun.

      Does the school stream its campus radio or TV stations? (No)
      Uhmmmm.... Try here. Damn these people either suck or we suck at reporting.


      And I know for a fact we have more than 1000 computers that are provided by the university for students to use. We have almost that many in the library *alone*.

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  2. What about most secured? by TrollBridge · · Score: 4, Interesting

    With as much emphasis as the survey put on wireless networking, I'd think good security would be one of the most important factors in a well-wired campus.

    It's sad that something this high-profile apparently dismisses the importance of network security.

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  3. Kids today have it too easy... by bennomatic · · Score: 4, Funny
    I remember dialing in with a 9600 baud modem to do my CS 60A (scheme) homework at UC Berkeley and only getting 2400 baud because of the answering modem's speed most of the time.

    And then once I got on, the slowdown was that our new superfast server (danube, IIRC) was bogged down running poorly written interpreted, recursive, memory-hogging programs by 500+ students all trying to get in under the wire.

    Sigh. The good old days.

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    1. Re:Kids today have it too easy... by nick-less · · Score: 5, Funny

      I remember dialing in with a 9600 baud modem to do my CS 60A (scheme) homework at UC Berkeley and only getting 2400 baud because of the answering modem's speed most of the time.
      [..]
      Sigh. The good old days.


      9600 Baud? Come on youngster, I bet I got pants older than you...

  4. I don't buy it by WilliamGeorge · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A major portion of their analysis seems to be the ratio of students to computers, but that is rather unfair: they are only counting campus-owned computers, not the ones students bring with them. For example: my alma matter, the University of Washington, has two EXCELLENT, large computer labs, plus others scattered about the various buildings. They also have Wi-Fi network s (though not campus-wide). But still, the majority of students bring their own computers (wether laptops they carry or desktops in their dorms). And ya know what, it didn't even make the list! This is bull-crap!

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  5. reminds me... by LiquidMind · · Score: 5, Funny

    I read this on some IRC channel a couple'a years ago...

    A: this school i'm trying to apply for is asking me all these stupid questions. like "why do you want to attend our school?"
    B: tell them 'cuz you got a phat pipe that i can use to download porn, warez and mp3s.

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  6. not to nitpick... by npistentis · · Score: 4, Informative

    sadly, the most connected campus seems to be fairly irresponsible with their student data. 3 years ago, i did a search for a friend who went there, and got a hit on a page including student names matched with Social Security numbers and a test score. We sent an email to the IT guys there... a year later, I did it again- the page was still up, so I told them again. Out of curiosity, I just did the same search, and got the same list. How would you feel knowing that your school was this irresponsible with personal data?

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  7. The University that I went to... by NerveGas · · Score: 4, Insightful


    Now has amazing connectivity. The entire campus (quite large) is entirely "lit up" with wireless hot-spots, and most buildings have an ethernet tap for every classroom seat.

    To make it better, in the student housing, for some pitifully low amount ($25?), you get a 20 megabit(!) connection. All paid for by student fees, of course.

    Now, I'm all for computers. But when tuition has tripled over the past ten years, parking costs have quadrupled, and student fees are going out the roof - all the time real services to students are decreasing - it makes me wonder if it's really worth it.

    Am I really going to be a better engineer if I have a 20 megabit connection to my home vs. a 1- or 2-megabit? Not really. Will a sociologist find better research to study over the 20-megabit connection? Nope.

    The matter extends into the classrooms - while some connectivity has a very good payoff, they've gone to such lengths that the cost has far, far exceeded the benefits. It's just plain irresponsible.

    steve

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  8. Inaccurate by nns6561 · · Score: 5, Informative

    This article is completely inaccurate. I checked a couple of schools I'm familiar with and they were all missing multiple items. The rank is more a factor of whether the appropriate person filled out the form. In many schools, there are few administrators who actually know all of the services provided on the campus. Sadly, it's very difficult to get accurate information about technology at a school. The best way is probably to talk to a student. The admissions office has no idea what's going on. I remember listening to the admissions tour at one school. The tour guide lied on multiple facts which I had easy methods to verify. The tour guides are just there to sell the school.

  9. An example of why this study is a crock by mmmmmhotpants · · Score: 5, Informative

    Case Study: California Institute of Technology (who recently broke networking speed records)

    The study says there is no wireless network (there is), school doesn't provide web pages (it does), can't register online (we do), no ethics policy (a very loose one: the honor code), school doesn't provide multimedia equipment (its available for use), doesn't stream its radio (our radio is only streamed).

    What the study got right: I don't think classes are provided online, students are not required to own a computer, tuition doesn't include a computer, and I don't think courses are offered in emerging technologies (if by emerging technologies you mean MS Word). I wouldn't want to go to a school that has these features.

    Personally, I think this idea of connectedness is a horrible measure of a school's IT saviness, and I'm not even talking about the erroneous study itself.

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  10. Re:RPI by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yes, the town looks like a nuclear bomb went off there... and sure it rains all the time... and um... snow gets asshole deep on a camel in the winter... but the area does kind of grow on you. And um... you could do worse when global warming comes... it's ah... not like it's freaking New Jersey, or anything.

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  11. This site is just plain wrong by Hypharse · · Score: 4, Informative
    Not only is this study biased towards universities that include new computers in the tuition (which is dumb since if I need a computer I'll get one if I don't I don't want to be forced to, but those that do decide to get a computer aren't included in the computer to student ratio), but it is also full of wrong information. Here is an example of where I go to grad school

    North Carolina State University

    It says the school does not supply web pages. This is bull crap since I've had a website on the school server for over a year. Plus it explains right here on state's own server HOW to set up your web page.

    Create your own homepage

    Heck, every freshman undergrad is required to take a computer class where they make their own website.

    Now down to the bottom, it says the school does not provide multimedia equipment. Again, completely false. Look at this site again on ncsu.edu

    Multimedia Reserve

    This is why I hate school rankings like these. They are usually very misleading and often contain false information.

  12. The research done for this article is HORRIBLE! by wetshoe · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I'm not sure how they conducted the research for this article, but it wasn't very good. I'm a former student at George Washington University and MOST of the answers for GW are incorrect.

    I really can't tell how they did the research for the article. With so many basic wrong answers for GW, I can't imagine that they surveyed the schools themselves. Some of the questions that were wrong were the first things they tell you about on the tours when you visit; I can't imagine that GW wouldn't tell Forbes what they tell high school seniors. If the writer did the research himself, he needs to think about another career. The same can be said if they had interns doing the work, which is probably the case. But I still don't understand, many of these questions could have been answered by simple searches from GW's homepage.

    Simply said, this article has no founding whatsoever. If other school's information is as wrong as GW's, then this article can't even be taken with a grain of salt.