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Spamford Wallace Draws A Restraining Order

Steve Rock writes "According to an article in the Associated Press, a temporary restraining order has been issued by a judge against Stanford Wallace and his companies. The case marks the first anti-spyware action taken by the Federal Trade Commission, and while there is some argument about permitting unsolicited commercial e-mail because of free speech it appears a tougher approach will be taken with alleged spyware distribution."

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  1. The important question here is.. by Sein · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When will Gator and WhenU be similarily restrained?

    1. Re:The important question here is.. by Sein · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Argh, yeah - I'm so used to typing Gator/Claria to make sure that Claria don't shed the image problem associated with their Gator spyware, and this time my brain slipped.

      Gator/Claria has deep pockets and corporate backing for their attempts to monopolize your desktop though, and have successfully sued people into submission for stating that their behaviour mimics that of other malicious intrusion software.

      In other words, they're rich slime who try to pound people into submission with SLAPP suits. And they still want to pretend that them using your computer for their own profit strategy is perfectly all right because of an EULA longer than the river Nile....

  2. How does somebody decide to become a bad guy? by turnstyle · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Really, how does somebody decide to become a bad guy? Do you wake up some day, and say, I'm going to be a spammer, a scammer, a credit card thief?

    Do they even know that they're bad guys, or do they have themselves fooled?

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    1. Re:How does somebody decide to become a bad guy? by Erik+Hollensbe · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I hesitate to post with my name on this, but here's some insight. I hate these people just as much as you do.

      I'm not working for a corp anymore, trying to get a contracting business going, because you get screwed or outsourced working for anyone who gets investors via stock. The faceless nature of a corporation does not care who you are, your aspirations unrelated to the workplace and your current situation. They merely want your skills and labor. This is a concept that trickles down the management chain, unfortunately less by force but by those who want to "succeed". Personally, I'll take a heaping helping of poverty over that kind of success. I left when the disgust was far beyond what I could stand. Let's just say I'm not persuing the traditional avenues for work anymore. I would like to think I have an impressive skill set and resume, and I think a good portion of hiring companies would agree. So my talent is not really in question here.

      Anyways, to augment my stifled income I turned to various online freelance places. The pay isn't great but it's a buck to be made which equates to food being placed in my fridge, a roof over my head and some modern amenities such as electricity, plumbing, and internet access, 2 of which I require to make money at my trade. (No, I am not a plumber :)

      First off, you're bidding against guys in India and parts of Eastern Europe where $200 is a month's rent. The buyers are well aware of this and drive the price down to far beyond minimum wage. I've done a couple projects which equate to cents on the hour, but again, food on the table.

      Second, because you are not put in the position where one job will pay the rent, you are put in a position where you bid on tons of jobs at a time - my average "bid day" is about 100 bids. These are all communicated and fullfilled. A good "bid day" will equate to around 20-30 projects varying in price from $50-$300. Only the cabals of 20 programmers get the big projects, and this isn't exactly something I want to make a sustainable income on. I average one bid day a month, $300 is a very well-paying project.

      Anyways, with the combination of these two, you can see where I'm going here. They give me a project, I don't ask what they're doing and I really don't care. Food on the table. I could care less if you get a silly piece of email that sells you viagra, I've got bigger things to worry about. Thankfully, my "real" contracting is starting to take off so I've stopped bidding until I have to worry about it again.

      I have gotten my "revenge" through a couple of well-placed timebombs in my scripts, and occasionally I'll create new accounts to bid and accept projects that are extremely vile (yes, there are lines) just to let them fall by the wayside. :) One time I configured a DNSBL for a spammer. Hope he doesn't plan to get mail from those hosts. :)

      If you want to blame me, fine. Sadly, I have bigger concerns than the morality of unsolicited email, giving someone a tool to spider popular websites and search engines (complete with auto-correcting open proxy support), amongst other things. As stated before it's not something I like at all, but it is, unfortunately, somewhat of a necessary evil. If you're about to say, "get a job at a gas station" or something sillier, I have a job coming up that requires 100% of my time at a pay which is 4 times what I was making at my corp job. The pay from that alone can keep me off those bids for ... oh, 6 or 7 months.

      Anyways, I'm done justifying myself. Consider this informative of the landscape that you are encountering. The "evil" people aren't writing these applications, the hungry are. :)

      Crime always comes to those who are lazy and want a good paycheck for being lazy. OTOH, I worked 80 hours last week for $40. If you want to call me a slimeball, think about the guy I used to work for who told me one thing about a raise I needed to get my head above water

    2. Re:How does somebody decide to become a bad guy? by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The faceless nature of a corporation does not care who you are, your aspirations unrelated to the workplace and your current situation. They merely want your skills and labor. This is a concept that trickles down the management chain, unfortunately less by force but by those who want to "succeed". Personally, I'll take a heaping helping of poverty over that kind of success.

      Hmm...good for you. Standing up to those evil corporations. I'm glad to see your sense of morality is intact...

      I have gotten my "revenge" through a couple of well-placed timebombs in my scripts, and occasionally I'll create new accounts to bid and accept projects that are extremely vile (yes, there are lines) just to let them fall by the wayside. :) One time I configured a DNSBL for a spammer. Hope he doesn't plan to get mail from those hosts. :)

      And you feel morally justified because of the corporate jerks that apparently screw everyone over? If not, then why did you include the bit about why you choose to work freelance? Why not just say "I work freelance, and sometimes I need to do work for spammers to pay the bills." This is a bit like a model posing naked to pay rent, but I can accept it.

      It's just a bit annoying that you open up putting yourself on the moral high ground. You refuse to find work at a corporation, that could pay your bills, and yet because of moral qualms with corporations, you choose to do freelance work, which ends up involving spam jobs.

      OTOH, I worked 80 hours last week for $40.

      I'm genuinely sorry to hear that, but I just can't sympathize with you as long as you're convinced that morality only applies to people in charge.

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  3. Ban the EULA by FusionDragon2099 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Nobody reads it. In essence, it's an end-run around the legal system.

  4. Re:Spam is a social problem by pipingguy · · Score: 4, Interesting


    If spam is such a problem for networks and humans (and definitely it is, and getting worse), then why aren't we seeing TV/Radio PSAs explaining why it is inherently a bad thing? Since everyone universally hates spam, this lack of public service information seems to be an implicit blind eye to the problem. Intel, AMD, Apple, etc. could bump up the corporate goodwill by publicly denouncing that which 99.9% of all email users consider to be a scourge of the internet. What would it cost, a few dozen millions in order to saturate the popular media for a few weeks? That's peanuts to these guys.

    I have a feeling that spammers make a huge amount of money selling lists to other would-be spammers.

  5. Define "Bad"... by NoMaster · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's all in how you define "bad", and your own personal moral compass.

    Take me, for example : Despite a sense of outrage at the way the world runs, it seems people consider me to be a little too moral. Hell, I know I do - I could never deliberately hurt a friend, and when I do accidently, it causes me great guilt. Hell, I still feel guilty over minor little incidents that involved nobody else! when I was a kid.

    However, there's a guy here in Australia who's currently in the news because of a share "scam" - basically, he's sending letters to small shareholders, little old ladies and men etc, offering to buy their share parcels at considerably below their value. People seem to find this reprehensible...

    Now I could quite happily do that, and not feel a twinge of guilt. Don't ask me why, I just wouldn't - maybe it's because I feel very strongly that one should be aware of these things, and make decisions accordingly.

    Or, maybe I'm just one very fscked-up person. That's a possibility too...

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  6. The Hurricane Fix by TFGeditor · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Interestingly, I noted a significant decrease (75 percent, roughly) in SPAM for a week or so after the series of hurricanes disrupted power et al in Florida. What's that stat, something like 90 percent of spam sources from one or two people in Florida?

    If a hurricane can do it, so can a jail cell.

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  7. Re:WTF? by divot2001 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    quote: "and rightly shouldn't be, as there is a very low signal to noise ration in graffiti." An intrinsic part of the free speech is that you cannot infringe a person's right to free speech because it was inarticulate or unintelligible due to the ignorance or lack of education in the communicator. To do so allows groups to silence the minority when they try to voice an unpopular opinion. Graffiti is illegal because it is destroying either public or private property, not because of any message inside.

  8. Re:Spam is a social problem by geminidomino · · Score: 2, Interesting

    >>Blacklists, etc, don't work now because of address forgery

    I assume you're talking about address/domain-based blacklists? Those would be the only one affected by "address forgery." I've not seen an address-based or domain-based blacklist in a very long time.

    Most current blacklists are IP-based. Those can't be forged if you realize how the email system works. Yes, false IP addresses can be injected into the Received: headers, but this is not news. Every correctly configured mailserver puts the IP address of the previous server in the "hop list", INCLUDING the receiving server. The admin of that server can look at the headers, and since he (hopefully) can trust his own server, the previous server in the list, the one whose IP was added by the destination, is the source of the spam.

    Blacklists DO work. 3rd parties don't like them because they may inconvienience them (sharing a mailserver with a spammer? Then you're going to be blocked). However, the opinions of 3rd parties (non-customers) are irrelevant.

  9. Ahh yes by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "Food on the table," always the refuge of those breaking the law that think it's ok. Of course, it seems that usually "food on the table" means "Quality food on the nice teak dining set in my tastefully appointed 3 bedroom house in a good neighbourhood with a new Audi and Subaru parked out front."

    To quote Chris Rock: "Please cut the fucking shit."

    There are many, millions in fact, people in this nation that put food on the table and sustain themselves doing menial jobs, often for minimum wage. I've done that before. There are plenty of low level jobs doing construction, washing dishes, etc out there. If you need work to feed yourself, it is always available. For that matter, there are plenty of social services available that will get you fed as well.

    So let's not play this game. You got out of a job, probably because your ethics are in the shiiter and you aren't very good at what you do. I mean who wants to hire someone who has crappy work eithic and general eithics where it's ok to break the law so long as it puts them ahead?

    So you turn to spam, something which was clearly immoral and receantly became illegal. Why? Not because you need to eat, as I said, there is ample oppertunity out there to get shit work that'll give you money enoug to get food and shelter, but becuase you think you're special, and deserve more. You seem to think that you ahve a right to make lots of money doing computer shit and if you can't do it legally, well than dammit doing it illegaly is justified.

    Give it up, you have no moral high ground here.

    The really funny thing is I know many people in It who are in a position where they hire other people. Nearly all of them are looking for people to hire, that's right, they want to give more people a job. The problem is, they can't find people qualified for the job. They find many people who's skills just aren't up to their talk.

    So get off it. Also, you might want to update your homepage, if you truly are in the grips of unemployment. Gabbing about how spam is what you must do to put food on the table while proclaiming to have employent with a large chain on your page doesn't help your stance.