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Window Maker 0.90.0 Released At Long Last

Posted by timothy on from the clean-and-functional dept.

BEI01 writes "From windowmaker.org: After years without a release, we are glad to announce that Window Maker 0.90.0 is out! Highlights are NetWM support (thanks to Peter). This means wmaker should work fine with GNOME 2.x and KDE 3.x. UTF-8 support, antialiased text support via Xft2, Xinerama support, enhanced Alt-Tab window switching, Font configuration in WPrefs, and many fixes."

55 comments

  1. Linux? by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1, Interesting

    A new release of Window Maker is not exactly linux news. Window Maker can run on pretty much any platform which runs X.

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    1. Re:Linux? by node+3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A new release of Window Maker is not exactly linux news.

      But it exactly is Linux news. It's news that is related to Linux, and of interest to many Linux users.

      That doesn't mean it's not also X11 news, and Mac OS X news, and Cygwin/X news, and AIX news, etc, but they have to pick a category, and "Linux" isn't an illogical category to choose. It's not like they picked YRO, or Games or something.

      Window Maker can run on pretty much any platform which runs X.

      And Linux is used as a general catch-all category for the Unixey platforms that run X. A bit fuzzy? Sure. Is that too confusing for you?

    2. Re:Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful
      I'm really not happy with this logic.
      It's not like they picked YRO, or Games or something.
      But surely if I can now download a version of WindowMaker I've never had the right to before, then it is one of my rights online? What about the fact it's GPL'd? That's an important issue of rights damnit!

      And are you saying I can't play XBill and other quality games if I run WindowMaker?

      I know, it's stretching it, but it's equally stretching it to argue that the appropriate place for this is the Linux section. This has nothing to do with Linux, Linux is merely one of the platforms that runs it.

      Or is this the new policy? Do we now submit anything that might have a vague connection to Linux ("Well, I guess Mozilla runs under Linux", "Hmmm, it's a new 64 bit Athlon. Does it run Linux? Well, ok, I guess I'll file it under Linux then", "This article about Al Gore criticising Karl Rove is very interesting, and from what I can see the Salon.com website is running Linux, so I'll submit it under the Linux section") is filed under linux.slashdot.org?

      This is silly and a little, in operating system terms, parochial.

    3. Re:Linux? by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

      I take offence to your inference that FreeBSD falls under the fuzzy unmbrella of 'Linux'. That migh make sence if this was for a web site for PHBs, but it's not. It's a site for geeks who know the difference between FreeBSD and Fedora.

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    4. Re:Linux? by node+3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I know, it's stretching it, but it's equally stretching it to argue that the appropriate place for this is the Linux section.

      It's not equal at all, except in an irrational, binary, you-completely-missed-the-nuance way. Of all the possible Slashdot categories, Linux is a logical one. I believe there's an X11 category which to me seems even more appropriate. Hell, there might even be a Window Maker one. The Games and YRO categories are not reasonable, unless the story is specifically about Games or YRO aspect of wmaker (ie: some new Window Maker based game console or Longhorn now uses Window Maker for its WM but MS doesn't release the code, etc.).

      The editors have to pick a category. Timothy picked one that is reasonable, contrary to the opinion of the guy who I was replying to.

      Or is this the new policy? Do we now submit anything that might have a vague connection to Linux ("Well, I guess Mozilla runs under Linux"

      This is a big character flaw in the standard annoying geek. They take something that's reasonable, and extend it to absurdity to make the claim that the reasonable example is also absurd.

    5. Re:Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      It's not equal at all, except in an irrational, binary, you-completely-missed-the-nuance way. Of all the possible Slashdot categories, Linux is a logical one.
      You still haven't explained why. You're saying that it would be absurd to put it under YRO and Games. I agree. That's exactly what I was saying. However, it's equally ridiculous to put it under Linux. WindowMaker has nothing to do with Linux. It runs under Linux. So does Unreal Tournament. So do DVD players that use DeCSS. So do programs that run under Wine.

      Simply because you can come up with a tortured argument to say "Well, hey, this can run under Linux" doesn't mean linux.slashdot.org is the most appropriate way to do it.

      This is a big character flaw in the standard annoying geek. They take something that's reasonable, and extend it to absurdity to make the claim that the reasonable example is also absurd.
      Aha, the ad-hominem.

      Look, WTF does WindowMaker have to do with Linux? You haven't explained that beyond stupid "Well, duh, it runs under Linux". Yes it does run under Linux, but it's not specifically a Linux application.

      I've tried to explain as clearly as possible why your argument seems completely irrational to the rest of us. You've responded with ad-hominems and with a complete absense of explaination. I think you're trolling.

    6. Re:Linux? by node+3 · · Score: 1

      Look, WTF does WindowMaker have to do with Linux? You haven't explained that beyond stupid "Well, duh, it runs under Linux". Yes it does run under Linux, but it's not specifically a Linux application.

      What you are missing completely is the relationship between wmaker and Linux. They are more closely related, than say, notepad.exe and Linux (which you claim is an equal comparison, given that notepad.exe can be run under WINE under X11 under Linux).

      I never said that wmaker is equal to Linux. It is a standard part of a Linux distribution (which notepad is not), it is an integral part of many people's Linux experience (which notepad is not) and it is run more often under Linux (this is a reasonable guess, I could be wrong) than under any other OS (notepad is not).

      What I'm claiming is, that under the general category of Linux, it's reasonable to include a discussion about Window Maker.

      I've tried to explain as clearly as possible why your argument seems completely irrational to the rest of us. You've responded with ad-hominems and with a complete absense of explaination. I think you're trolling.

      I didn't engage in ad hominem. I suggest you study the term. It means that my argument is predicated on an attack against you, and not your argument. I illuminated the flaw in your argument, which is that the absurdity is exactly equal to the non-absurdity.

      If you carefully re-read my original post, you'll see that I said that a discussion on Window Maker is reasonably placed under the general "Linux" category of discussions, and that it's a fuzzy (ie: non-exact) categorization. Of course you can be more precise (I *never* claimed the categorization was precise) and say it's an X11 discussion, or a Window Manager discussion. Once you get so precise, then the purpose of categories becomes useless. You're just calling everything its own category (this story is under the "Halo will ship on X" category, etc). So you have to treat the issue reasonably.

      Is it reasonable to talk about Window Maker under the category of Linux? Sure. Is it precise? Not at all. Is there a better category? Of course. But this isn't some high moral offense, and it's within the realm of reason, unlike your stance that "the absuridity is exactly equal to the reasonable".

    7. Re:Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      They are more closely related, than say, notepad.exe and Linux (which you claim is an equal comparison, given that notepad.exe can be run under WINE under X11 under Linux).
      On the grounds that Notepad is a Win32 app primarily designed to run under GNU/Linux's competitor, I'll concede that, but I certainly wouldn't suggest that this means that WindowMaker is suddenly part of Linux, any more than the native Linux Unreal Tournament or OpenOffice are parts of Linux.
      I never said that wmaker is equal to Linux. It is a standard part of a Linux distribution (which notepad is not), it is an integral part of many people's Linux experience (which notepad is not) and it is run more often under Linux (this is a reasonable guess, I could be wrong) than under any other OS (notepad is not).
      Would you say that, for example, Mozilla should be discussed as "Windows" given it's an integral part of many people's Windows experiences, and is, in many corporations, part of the standard operating system roll-out?

      If WindowMaker is run under Linux more frequently than other operating systems, could it simply be the case that X11 + Linux is a more popular platform than X11 + (any other OS)?

      I didn't engage in ad hominem. I suggest you study the term. It means that my argument is predicated on an attack against you, and not your argument. I illuminated the flaw in your argument, which is that the absurdity is exactly equal to the non-absurdity.
      I quoted the ad-hominem, an attack on me and not my argument. Here it is again:
      This is a big character flaw in the standard annoying geek. They take something that's reasonable, and extend it to absurdity to make the claim that the reasonable example is also absurd.
      So: I'm an "annoying geek", with a "big character flaw" whose argument can be dismissed because I'm the kind person who'd take something that was "reasonable" and "extend(-) it to absurdity".

      And at no point did you successfully demonstrate a flaw, you merely claimed that Linux was a fine category for this to be in whereas YRO and Games are not, backing up the latter points but with a notable absense of justification for it being under Linux in the first place.

      I'm glad you're semi-backing off on this, but it's perfectly reasonable for us to feel it's not merely inaccurate and inappropriate but somewhat parochial to put articles about WindowMaker under a category devoted to one POSIX-compliant operating system kernel.

    8. Re:Linux? by node+3 · · Score: 0, Troll

      On the grounds that Notepad is a Win32 app primarily designed to run under GNU/Linux's competitor, I'll concede that, but I certainly wouldn't suggest that this means that WindowMaker is suddenly part of Linux, any more than the native Linux Unreal Tournament or OpenOffice are parts of Linux.

      Again, I never said that any of these products are Linux. This is also a side issue. Linux is a kernel, it's an OS, it's a community, etc. In at least one of those senses, Window Maker is a part of Linux (the OS distribution).

      But that's not what I'm really concerned with. All I'm saying is that Window Maker is a part of the Linux category in computing. Yes it is part of the BSD category, and conversely, you can use Linux and never touch Window Maker (or even install it). It's just that it's rational to discuss Window Maker under the general category of "Linux". I'm not saying it's the best classification by any means, just that it's a reasonable one.

      Would you say that, for example, Mozilla should be discussed as "Windows" given it's an integral part of many people's Windows experiences, and is, in many corporations, part of the standard operating system roll-out?

      If instead of "should", you had said, "can", I'd say absolutely. If the story is about Mozilla replacing IE under Windows in the business, it would make sense to put it under the Windows category. But Mozilla is not as closely identified with Windows as Window Maker is with Linux (and before you get on this again, I'm not saying that Window Maker and Linux are closely tied, just that there's a reasonable relationship).

      I quoted the ad-hominem, an attack on me and not my argument.
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      So: I'm an "annoying geek", with a "big character flaw" whose argument can be dismissed because I'm the kind person who'd take something that was "reasonable" and "extend(-) it to absurdity".

      That is not "ad hominem" as regards the fallacy. To be the ad hominem fallacy, my argument must rest on that. For example, had I said, "Your argument is false because you are an annoying geek" would be ad hominem.

      I don't know if you are an annoying geek (although I'm starting to get an idea (laugh, that was a joke)) or that you have that particular character flaw, but that it is a flaw that is manifest in many of the "geek" type, and it's generally annoying as hell.

      And at no point did you successfully demonstrate a flaw, you merely claimed that Linux was a fine category for this to be in whereas YRO and Games are not, backing up the latter points but with a notable absense of justification for it being under Linux in the first place.

      I suggest you read my original post. I said it's a reasonable (I used the words "isn't an illogical category", I hope it's clear that I meant it in the "reasonable" sense, and not the "it follows the infallable and strict rules of logic" sense) category. I even made the point that it's not the only category.

      Are you seriously trying to claim that both the "Games" and the "Linux" categories are equally suitable for this Window Maker story? Maybe an analogy would do here. If we were talking about a coffee table, would it be equally absurd to put it into the "Living Room" category as the "Games" category because a coffee table can both be used in the living room as well as you can play games on it? Why, a den advocate might ask, focus on the living room when many a den has a coffee table?

      If this story was about games in some way, such as games that use Window Maker for the UI, or a new X Box shell that uses Window Maker, or a game that is bundled with a Window Maker download, etc, "Games" would be a reasonable category. But this story was not about games, it was about a new release of Window Maker. So of all the available categories, "Linux" is a reasonable one (and I've never said that it was the best one), while "Games" and "YRO" are not reasonable at all.

      How can you completely miss this point?

      I'm glad you're s

    9. Re:Linux? by Brandybuck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They take something that's reasonable, and extend it to absurdity to make the claim that the reasonable example is also absurd.

      Categorizing Mozilla as "Linux" (the example you claimed was absurd) is no more absurd than categorizing WindowMaker as "Linux".

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    10. Re:Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Take offense? WTF?! Now if he called you a whiny, pedantic cocksucker, then you could take offense.

    11. Re:Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't you know? All that free software is made only for Linux. Oh wait, it isn't. Apache isn't even developed on Linux boxes (their development platform is FreeBSD) and not GPL licensed. A lot of Linux users seem to have a hard time telling free software from Linux. Some of them don't even know that other alternative OSs exist.

    12. Re:Linux? by Brandybuck · · Score: 2, Informative

      It should be noted that before this thread existed this article was only in the Linux section. After this thread it gets moved to the BSD section with a link in the Linux section.

      WTF?

      Meanwhile, it still hasn't been tagged with the GNUstep topic, which Windowmaker is officially a part of.

      WTF?

      Does anyone else think that Slashdot's continuing popularity is a result of mere inertia?

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    13. Re:Linux? by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1

      Even though I got modded to 1, someone seemed to agree with me as the story is now under about 6 topics.

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    14. Re:Linux? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Linux, just as a strict definition, is more than the kernel.
      Idiot. *plonk*
  2. Fonts setup... by kosmosik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does anybody know how to change fontface used for drawing ballon tips and window while switching with alt-tab? It should be under some variable in ~/GNUstep/Defaults/WindowMaker - but I don't know which one...

  3. Finally by chthon · · Score: 1

    Yeah, because I also had some bug reports filed. However, for the moment I do not use wmaker much. On my small portable (233 MHz) I installed XFCE4 for my wife, on my big portable (AMD64 3000+) I use KDE, on my server I use Enlightenment with the Aqua theme, come to think of it, the workstation I use to connect to my server still runs wmaker. I hope it makes it quickly into Debian unstable/testing.

    1. Re:Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so... you installed X on your "server" ?

      Got the IP handy by any chance mate?

    2. Re:Finally by arodland · · Score: 1

      I used to be a huge wmaker fan, but I gave it up when moving to KDE 3, because of the lack of full support. But kwin isn't quite as capable as wmaker; maybe once it hits Debian sid, I'll give a shot to running kde+wmaker and see how it goes.

  4. That's great! by namekuseijin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Despite being simplistic by today standards, the NeXTStep graphical environment, which WMaker emulates, still is one of the most productive and unintrusive environments ever. And it can look damn good with some proper themes and fine-tuning.

    The Xft2 addition is a particularly very welcome one.

    This is great news. I hope the integration with GNUStep is a step further too. :)

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    1. Re:That's great! by ocelotbob · · Score: 3, Funny

      Agreed. Pretty much the first thing I do in any environment is get it looking as close to NeXTStep as possible. The environment Just Works much better than pretty much anything else out there. I use KDE right now almost entirely because of juk, but my desktop is much more nextish than anything else.

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    2. Re:That's great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but it doesn't do a proper emulation, nor provides the necessary functionality to ensure the same sort of user experience.

      If you want the real thing, use the real thing.

    3. Re:That's great! by namekuseijin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yeah, but it doesn't do a proper emulation, nor provides the necessary functionality to ensure the same sort of user experience.

      Not only it does provide proper emulation, it surpasses it by providing (some very nice) themes.

      However, WMaker is concerned with the NeXTSTep visual alone. If you want "necessary functionality", i suggest you install the whole GNUStep environment. Feel the love... :)

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  5. I see a link between. by julie-h · · Score: 2, Funny

    Visiting windowmaker.org is like visiting xemacs.org or xfree86.org. Nothing happens at all!

    1. Re:I see a link between. by julie-h · · Score: 1

      Xfree86.org have stopped writing dates on their news postings, so the site (and project) doesn't seam to out dated. So don't say they don't try! =)

  6. Mandatory joke by luferbu · · Score: 1

    Is this a sign we will get E17 soon?

  7. Important to note by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's important to note that Window Maker is part of the GNUStep project which is a cross-platform, object-oriented framework for desktop application development, free software implementation of NeXT's OpenStep, which celebrated its 10th birthday on October 19th. For anyone who is interested, there is much more info here.

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    1. Re:Important to note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Ya, 10 years and not much to show. Sure they've accomplished a bunch of stuff, but still... There is hardly anything to show for it.

      Hell, Jobs created OS X is no time at all. (yes, using NeXT OS, but with a crapload of stuff added)

      And GNUStep/OpenStep looks like shit compared to OS X (or even GNOME/KDE).

      It's just yet another project that people work on but nothing ever seems to happen (HURD?).

    2. Re:Important to note by Brandybuck · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's important to note that Window Maker is part of the GNUStep project

      It's also important to note that WindowMaker does not use the GNUstep API in any form.

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  8. Comparison? by Kevin+Burtch · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Anyone know of a comparison between GNUstep, WindowMaker, and AfterStep?

    I'd finally given up on WindowMaker a few weeks back, nothing has been happening with it for so long - I was looking at AfterStep, but the configuration and user-interface are a bit different and tough to get used to (AS uses the wrong mouse button for menus, for example). Glad to see it hasn't been completely abandoned.

    Anyways, the original question: Are there any reasonably current (within the last few years) comparisons out there?

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    1. Re:Comparison? by skahshah · · Score: 2, Interesting

      GNUstep isn't a window manager. You can't compare it to Windowmaker or Afterstep. In fact Window maker was the semi-official window manager for GNUstep.

    2. Re:Comparison? by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

      You gave up on WindowMaker because there was nothing happening? Was there anything wrong with it, or was stale version numbers enough to get you to switch to a more exciting and version creeping window manager? :)

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    3. Re:Comparison? by Kevin+Burtch · · Score: 1


      Bugs mainly... like the one that causes all the windows that belong to a single client to cycle focus when the mouse is moved from one to another, or a new window popped up (most commonly seen in web browsers). Insanely annoying, requiring that you shade all of the windows to get it to stop.

      There are others, but that was by far the most annoying and common.

      Also features... you should have a look at AfterStep, it's quite nice (if it weren't for the weird decision to reverse the mouse-buttons, I'd already be using it as my main WM).

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    4. Re:Comparison? by Kevin+Burtch · · Score: 0, Troll


      That's already been established, so your post is redundant and not at all helpful.

      The original question still stands unanswered.

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    5. Re:Comparison? by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 1, Funny

      "Anyone know of a comparison between GNUstep, WindowMaker, and AfterStep?" You asked for a comparison he gave you one: GNUStep and WindowMaker are totally different things.

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    6. Re:Comparison? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you retarded?

  9. Nothing? by Pan+T.+Hose · · Score: 1

    And GNUStep/OpenStep looks like shit compared to OS X (or even GNOME/KDE). It's just yet another project that people work on but nothing ever seems to happen (HURD?).

    Actually I am using it right now as we speak. Please give some credit where it is due.

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  10. Does anyone else miss... by KilobyteKnight · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is a little off topic I suppose, but it got me thinking about when I first started using Linux. It was hard to choose which desktop I wanted to use every time I logged in. Sure Gnome and KDE have made vast improvements over the years, and both are excellent desktops at this point, but I kinda miss that choice.

    Maybe it's just my perception, and not reality, but it seems like all the other desktops have stagnated. I have been excited about the new Enlightenment for a long time, but it still seems to be a long way from completion.

    I don't mean to put down any of the desktops or demean any of the developers. I just miss the old days when the desktop wars had at least 1/2 dozen serious contenders.... *sigh*

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  11. Kudos by Khazunga · · Score: 3, Informative
    Here's my biggest Kudos to the Windowmaker dev team :-) Wmaker has been by window manager of choice for the last four years. While I recognize the advances of the Gnome/KDE projects, I've tried both multiple times and always come back to Wmaker. It just feels right.

    My main gripe with other window managers is the inability to set the "Initial Workspace" (virtual desktop) per application. When wmaker starts, all my apps load and pop up in their respective workspaces. If they fire up windows, these get contained in the app's virtual desktop, and do not interrupt my work. Really cool, and unmatched by other WMs (to my knowledge).

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    1. Re:Kudos by potHead42 · · Score: 1, Informative

      Check out Devilspie, it allows you to set the workspace and other settings (layer, tasklist/pager-visibility) per window. And it's a standalone-app, so it works with all WMs.

    2. Re:Kudos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Take a look at PWM, "the first tabbed windowmanager". It is small and fast. With a simple configuration-file,one can match against the windowname and place windows wherever one wants them. And it supports dockapps :)

    3. Re:Kudos by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      The problem with Gnome and KDE is that they're not really usable with a CPU that's below 4Ghz. WMaker is fast, lean and effective.

      On the other hand, most modern window managers do support virtual desktops, so this is nothing unique to WindowMaker. Yes, this does include both Gnome and KDE; and also Enlightenment, Blackbox and next to anything... except for fvwm and the MS Windows equivalent of a window manager.

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  12. MODERATION ABUSE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's nothing that's trollish about the parent. At worst, it's off-topic, but if you're going to mod it off-topic, at least mod the grand parent off-topic rather than "+infinity Insightful".

  13. So Typical! by Leroy_Brown242 · · Score: 1

    I just built a FreeBSD test machine this last week after months of not having any local machines not running WinXP. Installed WindowMaker not but 2 days ago. It'll take me months to build up motivation to upgrade! Yay for slacking!

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    1. Re:So Typical! by setagllib · · Score: 1

      CVSup ports tree, portupgrade -a

      Provided, of course, the tree is thawed and includes the new WindowMaker :P

      Gentoo Portage has caught up, I'm trying it now, but it seems to suck. Kernel granularity bug not fixed (and I sent them patches a year ago) and too many file paths have changed to make keeping your old configs safe. Font smoothing seems to apply only to title bars and sufficiently large fonts in themes, but not good yet (oppose Fluxbox which has had font smoothing for years and used it for everything cleanly).

      Slashdot confirms: WindowMaker is dying
      And this is my favorite WM, too :(

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  14. Actually, it should be in Linux *and* BSD by timothy · · Score: 1

    There was a bug (since fixed) that made it impossible to add or update the topics and sections assigned to a story; since the bug is now fixed, I went in and added the topics I thought appropriate.

    I suspect (am not sure) that Linux is the environment under which Window Maker is most often run, just multiplying the number of Linux installs x the % of people whom might have it on the machines :)

    However, as has been pointed out, the story as posted was remiss for implying that it was a Linux-only bit of news. Until the posting glitch was fixed, I thought Linux was as good a category as any, so I let it run that way.

    Window Maker is excellent :) Today I used synaptic to put it on my (HD-installed Mepis) desktop system, though 0.9.0 is not yet available that way.

    Cheers,

    timothy

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  15. Windowmaker. by saintlupus · · Score: 1

    Just wanted to say thanks to the dev team for this project. Though the systems I roll out to our end users are running GNOME, Windowmaker is still my weapon of choice for the machines that I have to use.

    Never fails to confuse the hell out of my students when I hook the laptop up to a projector, either. Heh.

    So as soon as this hits Unstable (what's that, 2007 or so?) I'll be happily upgrading.

    --saint

  16. This is Great News! by devphaeton · · Score: 1

    Without even looking to see what is new and improved in this release of Wmaker, i'm simply delighted to see that it is still being actively developed.

    Since the last release, I had assumed that it had fallen by the wayside and was no longer developed nor maintained, and one day would simply fade away.

    I started with KDE 1.1 on Caldera OpenLinux 2.2 in 1998, and when i switched to Debian (Potato) i was still such a n00b that i didn't know how to change the DE. Windowmaker was the default, and a lack of a taskbar at the bottom of the screen freaked me out at first, but after getting used to it i fell in love.

    I've since moved to others, trying out the latest KDEs, Gnomes, bbox, icewm, XFCE4 (my current) and whatnot. I picked up an old C150 recently and for grins threw Debian on it, (yes, with X) and kept Wmaker due to it being lightweight (16mb RAM w00!!).

    I never realised until then how much i had missed it. I installed it on my primary Desktop (only 430Kb!), supplanting XFCE4, and i haven't felt compelled to change it back yet.

    Hurray for themes.freshmeat.net!

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  17. new windowmaker by voot · · Score: 1

    this is great, everysince i have been using windowmaker ive been waiting for an update. And with a few themes you will truely have a awesome desktop. The new tab control is off a hook, and you can change the fonts now, which is more impressive then it sounds.

  18. Big Deal by betelgeuse68 · · Score: 1

    WindowMaker is too light weight. Yeah, that's one of its "strong points" but other window managers have come around and staked that same claim. Besides, who wants to wait years for an incremental release from a minimalist approach. What the *NIX community needs is a united desktop to compete more effectively with MS. I wish the whole "KDE vs. GNOME" thing didn't even exist. And no, I don't believe we need two dozen window managers.

  19. Gripe, hmm? :) by Balinares · · Score: 1

    My main gripe with other window managers is the inability to set the "Initial Workspace" (virtual desktop) per application.

    My main gripe with Slashdoters is they don't look up data to validate their opinions. :)

    In KWin, any window setting can be saved on a per application basis -- and that includes which virtual desktop it starts on. And I agree it's extremely useful. Some of my apps I want on all the desktops automatically, some I want borderless and always under the other windows (to keep an eye on logs for instance), etc. One of the little things you just can't live without once you've started using it.

    This being said, WMaker still kicks serious loads of ass, and it's cool to see it keep improving steadily.

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  20. trying to compile 0.91.0 - misc ramblings by ChristTrekker · · Score: 1

    Gah, my libXft isn't new enough. *grumble* Yup/yum won't work. When's YDL 4.0 going to be available to download? Hope it works on my beige G3. I've been happy with Blackbox and IceWM in the past but have heard good things about WindowMaker so I thought I'd give it a shot. Where can I download libXft?

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