Window Maker 0.90.0 Released At Long Last

BEI01 writes "From windowmaker.org: After years without a release, we are glad to announce that Window Maker 0.90.0 is out! Highlights are NetWM support (thanks to Peter). This means wmaker should work fine with GNOME 2.x and KDE 3.x. UTF-8 support, antialiased text support via Xft2, Xinerama support, enhanced Alt-Tab window switching, Font configuration in WPrefs, and many fixes."

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Re:Important to note

[Anonymous Coward]

Ya, 10 years and not much to show. Sure they've accomplished a bunch of stuff, but still... There is hardly anything to show for it.

Hell, Jobs created OS X is no time at all. (yes, using NeXT OS, but with a crapload of stuff added)

And GNUStep/OpenStep looks like shit compared to OS X (or even GNOME/KDE).

It's just yet another project that people work on but nothing ever seems to happen (HURD?).

Re:Linux?

[node 3]

On the grounds that Notepad is a Win32 app primarily designed to run under GNU/Linux's competitor, I'll concede that, but I certainly wouldn't suggest that this means that WindowMaker is suddenly part of Linux, any more than the native Linux Unreal Tournament or OpenOffice are parts of Linux.

Again, I never said that any of these products are Linux. This is also a side issue. Linux is a kernel, it's an OS, it's a community, etc. In at least one of those senses, Window Maker is a part of Linux (the OS distribution).

But that's not what I'm really concerned with. All I'm saying is that Window Maker is a part of the Linux category in computing. Yes it is part of the BSD category, and conversely, you can use Linux and never touch Window Maker (or even install it). It's just that it's rational to discuss Window Maker under the general category of "Linux". I'm not saying it's the best classification by any means, just that it's a reasonable one.

Would you say that, for example, Mozilla should be discussed as "Windows" given it's an integral part of many people's Windows experiences, and is, in many corporations, part of the standard operating system roll-out?

If instead of "should", you had said, "can", I'd say absolutely. If the story is about Mozilla replacing IE under Windows in the business, it would make sense to put it under the Windows category. But Mozilla is not as closely identified with Windows as Window Maker is with Linux (and before you get on this again, I'm not saying that Window Maker and Linux are closely tied, just that there's a reasonable relationship).

I quoted the ad-hominem, an attack on me and not my argument.
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So: I'm an "annoying geek", with a "big character flaw" whose argument can be dismissed because I'm the kind person who'd take something that was "reasonable" and "extend(-) it to absurdity".

That is not "ad hominem" as regards the fallacy. To be the ad hominem fallacy, my argument must rest on that. For example, had I said, "Your argument is false because you are an annoying geek" would be ad hominem.

I don't know if you are an annoying geek (although I'm starting to get an idea (laugh, that was a joke)) or that you have that particular character flaw, but that it is a flaw that is manifest in many of the "geek" type, and it's generally annoying as hell.

And at no point did you successfully demonstrate a flaw, you merely claimed that Linux was a fine category for this to be in whereas YRO and Games are not, backing up the latter points but with a notable absense of justification for it being under Linux in the first place.

I suggest you read my original post. I said it's a reasonable (I used the words "isn't an illogical category", I hope it's clear that I meant it in the "reasonable" sense, and not the "it follows the infallable and strict rules of logic" sense) category. I even made the point that it's not the only category.

Are you seriously trying to claim that both the "Games" and the "Linux" categories are equally suitable for this Window Maker story? Maybe an analogy would do here. If we were talking about a coffee table, would it be equally absurd to put it into the "Living Room" category as the "Games" category because a coffee table can both be used in the living room as well as you can play games on it? Why, a den advocate might ask, focus on the living room when many a den has a coffee table?

If this story was about games in some way, such as games that use Window Maker for the UI, or a new X Box shell that uses Window Maker, or a game that is bundled with a Window Maker download, etc, "Games" would be a reasonable category. But this story was not about games, it was about a new release of Window Maker. So of all the available categories, "Linux" is a reasonable one (and I've never said that it was the best one), while "Games" and "YRO" are not reasonable at all.

How can you completely miss this point?

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Re:Comparison?

[Kevin Burtch]

That's already been established, so your post is redundant and not at all helpful.

The original question still stands unanswered.