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Australian Government Agency Moves Towards Linux

An anonymous reader writes "ZDNet Australia is reporting that Centrelink, the Australian government agency responsible for distributing social security payments, is investigating Novell's Open Enterprise Server as a method of consolidating huge chunks of its network. Centrelink's national manager is quoted as saying: "We have to look at remote access, virus protection, security. Linux has those capabilities but we have to assure our more senior executives that these boxes have the same level of security and protection as the commercial products""

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  1. Centrelink is a huge mess by Pseudonym · · Score: 4, Informative

    Centrelink is actually the union of about half a dozen systems inherited from previous government agencies. Some of the systems run on mainframes, some on Novell, who knows what else. All of these systems don't really talk to each other well, and integration problems have been a nightmare for quite some time.

    It'll be interesting to see precisely what they're planning to migrate to Linux.

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  2. Re:Hello, Microsoft? by tooth · · Score: 4, Informative
  3. No need for Windows by _Hellfire_ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Everything Centrelink does is web based anyway. All they need are some mid end desktops running and firefox and they'd be set.

    When I dealt with them I was sitting there thinking: Hmmm Internet Explorer under Windows 2000. Fairly expensive and a waste of a software license if you ask me. I also remember thinking that this department would be the ideal place for a large linux rollout simply because they have no need for standard (read: Microsoft centric) apps like word and excel because everything they do is Web server/client based with all the heavy stuff on the backend servers.

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    1. Re:No need for Windows by CRC'99 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, not all.... A lot of the stuff they use is a telnet session to a server.

      The server then does all the processing, and prints to remote queues which pop out at the right office (usually).

      Quite nifty really - they could probably just use thin clients and get away with it...

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    2. Re:No need for Windows by Wizarth · · Score: 2, Informative

      All they do is server based, but it's not all web-based. When they have that web-browser up (yup, IE) to fill in details (which is only for some type of claims) you have to notice that they have another window open behind it, that is more traditional ANSI console.
      If you watch real close (or know some-one who works in Centerlink), you'll see that the information they are entering on the nice pretty web form is being re-entered in that screen when they hit Next. So even their web-based front end is nothing more then a GUI for the console-style app's they use for everything else!
      Which makes me wonder, could they port the desktop's to Linux, because does this system lock them in to IE/ActiveX? They are almost undoubtedly talking pure server-side, in which case they could well use the rebuild, they have more down-time then the MSN Messenger servers! (Usually around 4:30PM when every-one is trying to finish the paper-work and claims entries for the day.)

    3. Re:No need for Windows by cammoblammo · · Score: 3, Informative
      Only a huge mainframe could cope with the vast numbers of bludgers and scoungers Centerlink caters for ;)

      I'm going to assume the emoticon at the end of your post means you're joking, because a huge number of hard-working Australians use Centrelink services.

      In Australia, most students above the age of sixteen are eligible for a benefit (Youth Allowance, Austudy or Abstudy, depending on age and race.) Any person eligible for Family Tax benefit (cut off, I believe, is around $70,000 pa) have received two payments of $600 per child in the last six months.

      Not to mention aged pensions, disability pensions, sickness benefits, carers' benefits training incentives, return to work programs and a whole number of things (theoretically) designed to help people who do actually have an interest in getting into the work force, or at least doing valuable work as volunteers.

      There will always be those who bludge off the system (believe me, I'm up to the gills with them on a daily basis.) They will always be scoundrels, but at least this way their bludging's regulated.

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  4. met bureau by BlackMagi · · Score: 4, Informative

    Linux is a pretty common platform here at the Bureau of Met., but I guess that's always going to be the case in a scientific organisation. It's certainly not thought of as strange, though.

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    1. Re:met bureau by erick99 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The NWS here uses UNIX for their large computer systems. Some of the mid-range systems such as for severe weather are running Linux. Most desktops are Microsoft based.

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  5. Re:same level of security? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The UK plans to run it nuclear subs on Win 2000 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/06/ams_goes_w indows_for_warships/

  6. Re:Hello, Microsoft? by strider44 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Please rtfa. They don't use Windows anyway.

  7. My God... RTFA, people by 26199 · · Score: 4, Informative

    All these 'WTF? Linux as secure as Windows? Hahahaha' comments are completely offtopic. If you actually read the article you'll find that the current systems are Novell, Solaris and Lotus based. Linux is the easy option for migration, and Microsoft is barely even in the running.

  8. Centrelink is dedicated to linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    When i worked at Centrelink they were about to replace ibms z390 os with ibms linux solution.

    They were also talking about replacing heaps of other legacy systems with linux solutions. I saw a few linux kernel developer/tester jobs pop up as well.

    To all you fools bitching about Centrelinks service, six million Australians get bludge money 2-5% have problems, but please keep complaining about the FREE money that is given to you, there is a TONNE of private corporations bidding on the tenders that Centrelink is currently holding. If they succeed in securing them, then you'll have something to bitch about...

  9. Re:Hello, Microsoft? Not necessarily by hype7 · · Score: 2, Informative

    There are other examples of big Aussie Govt agencies going against the Redmond beast. I know for a fact that the NSW Govt is pushing open source/open standards software.

    -- james

  10. Re:But --- it's both by natd · · Score: 2, Informative
    (Novell services, GroupWise, eDirectory, etc, etc, OR the SUSE Linux services, postfix, apache, use yast and all that).

    We're both correcting the parent post, but I'll just tighen up your response:

    (Novell services, GroupWise, eDirectory, etc, etc, AND the SUSE Linux services, postfix, apache, use yast and all that).

    The key change being "AND". There is no restriction on using both the traditional Linux services and the Novell offerings. The kernel is regular SuSe Linux, everything else works be it from Novell or all the SuSE stuff.

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  11. Re:same level of security? by tarunthegreat2 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sometimes, when you pronounce a word wrong, it may mean something else - ghandi = Hindi for asshole. Gandhi = a last man's name. If you respect the man's message, respect his name. Perhaps it boosts your ego to preach - me I'm just surprised at how you can see a person's name flashed in your face a 1000 times, and yet still manage to spell it wrong. Now that I have corrected your error, I am just happy to see that one less person is unknowingly cursing the man's name.