Slashdot Mirror


World's First Ultra-Thin Multilayer Circuit Board

neutron_p writes "Seiko Epson has developed the world's first 20-layer circuit board. Multilayer circuit boards are normally produced by using a photolithography. However, the industry has struggled to produce thin, lightweight, high-density multilayer circuit boards. Seiko Epson uses an inkjet-based manufacturing process, which has many advantages over a traditional photolithography process."

21 of 126 comments (clear)

  1. Not again by captnitro · · Score: 3, Funny

    Seiko Epson uses an inkjet-based manufacturing process, which has many advantages over a traditional photolithography process

    Great. Now I'm going to have to run out in the middle of the night to buy overpriced Epson inkjet refills in two aisles.

    And the paperjams on a PCB? Insane.

    1. Re:Not again by The-Bus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Thankfully when you need a new board, a link will come up to Epson.com to buy more.

      In all seriousness, I find it interesting that this process cuts down "a large volume of photoresist, developer, etchants, stripping agents and other chemicals" needed for the process.

      However, is this based on earlier processes or IBM's improvements in recent years?

      In 2001 . "Michael Cummings, James Fuller, Jr., Timothy Krush, Mike Longo, Thomas Lyons, Curt Miller, Paul Speranza, William Wike, James Wilson, and Michael Wozniak of Endicott, New York, share $50,000 for developing and qualifying a new process that eliminated solvent use from the manufacture of ultra fine pitch (UFP) wire bond chip carrier products. A first in the industry, the team's innovations included the investigation and qualification of a dry film resist that achieves UFP's stringent photolithography specifications, while being compatible with existing printed wire board manufacturing steps. Benefits include, on an annual basis, avoiding 5.2 million pounds of chemical use, 5.6 million pounds of industrial and hazardous waste generation and off-site transport, and 110,000 pounds of process air emissions while saving over $5.6 million."

      More info on here as well.

      --

      Small potatoes make the steak look bigger.

  2. will this make it to the consumer? by Ba3r · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Because I think this could be another significant price reduction for people who want to try their hand at manufacturing hardware/embedded devices in their garage.. buy a 150 dollar inkjet, some special paper and conductive/insulator ink, and print up all your designs.

    and the less barrier there is to entry in an industry, the more the competition, and the faster/better the growth.

    1. Re:will this make it to the consumer? by gr8_phk · · Score: 3, Informative

      No, they were talking about nanometer size silver particles in the conductive ink. The traces should be much larger than that if you want to carry even small currents. At least you read TFA if not carefully enough :-)

    2. Re:will this make it to the consumer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
      For (most) PCB work, currently the printing isn't the problem. For a hundred bucks you can get a decent UV lamp, photoresist boards, and etchant chemicals. Print out your PCB layout with a laser printer, expose and go.

      The issue (especially for fine pitch stuff) is drilling and soldering. Especially if you have a double-sided (or multi-layer) board. For big components (traditional resistors, capacitors) drilling's not too bad, but when you have to drill holes for bga sockets, or even 40-pin ribbon connectors, registration and alignment is a real problem. Soldering with SMD's by hand is hellish. Some people do 'reflow' with toaster ovens (and it works!), but it's still a lot of fussing.

      Right now you have two choices in the DIY market: drill it yourself with a drill press and a lot of jigs to try and line things up, or buy a CNC drill press (easily > $1000).

      Of course, you can always do what I usually do for projects, which is send them to a boardhouse and have them do 'everything' (etch, drill, soldermask) but turnaround can become an issue, and the cost can become pretty high. High cost tends to make you go "rats, that might be cool, but I don't want to blow $150 to see if that board will work".

  3. Oh boy, by kazoosandinstruments · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know how I'm going to keep from breaking one of these things every time I touch it. I have broken some thicker-than-ultra-thin PCBs in my day and don't imagine these to be any less susceptible to the pressure of my indelicate hands. I wonder if/hope we'll see some connectors/slots in the future that don't require a board-breaking effort to slip the peripheral cards out.

  4. Re:Anyone know if it's bendable? by Cthefuture · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It sounds like it should be somewhat flexible, although I doubt you would want to move it much because the ink might flake off or crack. It looks like it could produce curved and bent boards though. That would be great for putting electronics in odd shaped housings.

    I want the consumer version. This would make it much easier for the hobbiest like myself to make boards. Just print and use. I could see printing out the board on a thin film and then glueing it to a normal thickness material. The only problem I see is how to solder to it. It's a conductive ink so you might need a low-temperature solder or some other method so as to not burn it.

    --
    The ratio of people to cake is too big
  5. Inkjets and Epson by Gopal.V · · Score: 3, Funny

    Seems to be a good match :)

    Inkjets + Epson == PCB printers

    It would be amazing to be able to print out PCBs rather than sending your diagrams to a shop. Even if this doesn't work for a production system, it would be great for hobbyists to create throwaway prototypes of circuits before sending those designs in.

    Also this brings a new way of "compiling" your circuit boards .. I wonder if raw postscript could be used to run these printers ?.

    Finally, those kids in college can really see their circuits in action rather than as blinking circles in some circuit simulator !. It's a real good feeling .... of EUPHORIA . I still remember my first bistable vibrator done on a breadboard , and seeing those leds go blink ... blink .. blink ...

    <old_voice>
    "Those days we didn't have zeros and ones either - all we had was Vcc , ground and everything in between... and we liked it" :)
    </old_voice>

  6. This won't replace conventional PCBs by Avian+visitor · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't believe this technology will replace the conventional multilayer printed circuit board for some time. At least in mass produced consumer electronics. Perhaps some niche market where there is a requirement that each circuit board is different.

    The main advantage of this new technology is that it is relatively cheaper to produce a small quantity of boards because there is no high cost of making masks. Most of the money today is made with consumer electronics where there is a requirement of large series of identical boards so this is no longer such an advantage (the starting cost of mask is almost zero after 1000 or so boards).

    The article also does not mention how this type of circuit board is compatible with electronic components. I guess you can not solder SMDs to a trace that is composed of tiny silver particles. This probably means that a totaly new technology for mounting electronic components needs to be developed. The classical soldered spot is one of the most reliable components in electronics and I don't believe any new technology will surpass that anytime soon (this is not so unimportant, considering that an average circuit can have 100s or 1000s of soldered spots).

    1. Re:This won't replace conventional PCBs by corngrower · · Score: 3, Insightful
      The article stated that one of the advantages to this technology is the large reduction in the amount of chemicals used to produce a circuit board. This would be a big advantage for mass production of cirucit boards. A large costs for circuit board manufacturers is the handling of the chemicals and waste products, the acids, photosensitive liquids and such. One would have to have a considerable knowledge of the costs involved in each process, but you can bet that if this process is cheaper, or looks like it will be cheaper, the new process will be used.


      I can see this technology as starting point of a pcb manufacturing revolution. Connectors directly molded on to the pcb.

  7. As if.. by Dan+East · · Score: 3, Insightful

    consumer electronics weren't already hard enough to repair. This will take them to a whole new level of discard-and-replace.

    Once upon a time there were technicians that could take any piece of consumer electronics, and given a good repair manual, trouble shoot the problem and replace the offending component.

    This creates a monopoly of sorts - since repair is impossible, the manufacturer has sole control over their product, so their profit margin increases. It behooves them to create products that cannot be repaired.

    Dan East

    --
    Better known as 318230.
    1. Re:As if.. by Avian+visitor · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This will take them to a whole new level of discard-and-replace.

      I totally agree. I wonder what is better for environment: produce liquid chemical waste by making conventional circuit boards or produce a lot (potentially toxic) solid waste composed of discarded devices that can not be repaired.

      Chemicals involved in circuit board manufacturing aren't that toxic at all. Photoresist is developed with NaOH or KOH, both of which will decompose when exposed to carbon dioxide in the atmosphere. HCl that is used for etching copper will also be neutralized by, for example, limestone in the environment.

      Once upon a time there were technicians that could take any piece of consumer electronics, and given a good repair manual, trouble shoot the problem and replace the offending component.

      I can't believe that today I give big bucks for an expensive instrument (e.g. osciloscope in my case) and don't even receive a circuit board chart. Not so long ago you got a circuit board chart with a cheap FM radio... And guess what? That radio is still working after 30 years (and three or four minor repairs).

  8. how about..... by zogger · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...contact cement with the same silver particles stirred into it?

  9. Printed boards by keithdowsett · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I can see a couple of limitations which aren't discussed in the article.

    Firstly, thin layers of silver particles mean very limited power supplies. The thin layers of insulation will also limit the working voltage. This can be overcome so some extent by printing multiple layers, but that may cause problems in the drying/curing process.

    Secondly, the thin layer of insulation will result in significantly higher capacitance between layers. This will probably limit high frequency applications and result in every other layer being a ground plane to limit coupling in other applications.

    Still, it's a step in the right direction.

    Keith.

  10. dont you understand???? by diablomonic · · Score: 5, Interesting

    no one seems to be picking up on the implications of INKJET PRINTABLE ELECTRONICS :: Open Source Hardware!!!!! download a design for a gadget off 'hardforge', print it out, and away you go. Dont like a design feature on the latest open ipod clone: change it yourself and print a personal custom model.

    --
    watch "the money masters" on google video
  11. Not the first 20 layer board by ghereheade · · Score: 5, Informative

    As someone that has done many circuit board designs over the years, I can say that this is _not_ the first 20 layer PWB. Many backplanes for large systems are built with 20 layer or more.

    What looks to be new is the fast, cheap, and hopefully environmentaly friendly way to make boards. Also, from the picture, this has to be the thinnest 20 layer board by far - a distinct advantage in light weight hand held devices. But the thin board raises some questions for board designers such as "what is the trace impedance". However, that's one of many details that we won't know the answer to until the technology is commercialized (oooo, a nounized verb!!!)

  12. The "world's first 20-layer" statement is absurd! by BrakesForElves · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's my letter to PhysOrg.com:

    Hello,

    The article...

    http://www.physorg.com/news1789.html

    ...contains an absurdly incorrect statement in its first sentence, to wit:

    "Seiko Epson Corporation today announced that it has succeeded in leveraging its proprietary inkjet technology to develop what the company believes is the world's first 20-layer circuit board."

    No. Not even close. I have personally worked on circuit boards of as many as 48 layers, as long ago as 1985. The math coprocessor for the Sperry-1100/90 (code named "Eagle") had a motherboard that was roughly 20" x 36" in size, had forty-eight layers, was about 1/2" thick, had solid silver bus bars laminated in each side, weighed about forty pounds, and was so hard that if you knocked on it with your knuckle, it would ring like a bell.

    There is no possibility that the people at Epson believe they've built the world's first twenty layer board. Twenty layer boards are a little uncommon, but far from record-breaking.

    Sincerely,

    BrakesForElves
    Founder and past President
    FASTechnologies, Inc. www.fastec.com

    --
    About the word "if": If bullfrogs had wings, they wouldn't bounce around on their little green butts.
  13. Nice. by gp310ad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can see this working very will for hybrid integrated circuit manufacturing.

    First the circuit is printed.
    Next the conductive cement is printed.
    Finally a component transfer drum 'prints' the components on to the board.

    The drum could made of a plastic on a rapid prototype machine and mounted in a loader (drum rotates and components are dropped into pockets)
    for small runs. For large runs the drum would serve as a pattern for something that woudl hold up longer.

    The result is a very rapid transition from CAD/modeling stage to large scale production.

    Refinements for projects you know from the get go are going to be big would include printed resistors and capacitors. A series of printers with multiple heads for the various 'ink' flavors would work best for this. Resistance with a few ink mixes and pattern/width for values within ranges. In this scenario you only need to 'print' active devices and larger inductors and capacitors. All else is done with the ink.

    I bet this technology will be up and running before then end of 2005 and cranking out helmet electronics for military, wrist watch cell phones, and some really cool Cracker Jack(tm) toys.

    --
    Do not look into LASER with remaining eye!
  14. addendum to nice by gp310ad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This tech isn't limited to circuits.
    one could print other chemistry (battery, sensor, display, etc) right on the board. I can see ultra thin $3 wristwatches where the watch and battery are integrated into the band.

    --
    Do not look into LASER with remaining eye!
  15. neutron_p by bleckywelcky · · Score: 3, Informative

    This guy always posts stories with links to physorg.com which other people have noted is a site that rips off other news sites' stories and throws in a bunch of ads for revenue. You can check out his submission history here (18 submissions accepted in the last 50 days or so):

    http://slashdot.org/search.pl?query=neutron_p

    Do we have another Roland on our hands? Why not just post a link to the original story on the original news site?

  16. THEY HAVE CHANGED IT!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Seiko Epson Corporation today announced that it has succeeded in leveraging its proprietary inkjet technology to develop what the company believes is the world's first 20-layer circuit board."

    Has become....

    "Seiko Epson Corporation today announced that it has succeeded in leveraging its proprietary inkjet technology to develop ultra-thin 20-layer circuit board."

    Nice job!