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Anti-Spyware Vendor Partners with Spyware Company?
Tuxedo Jack writes "eWeek reports that the anti-spyware vendor Aluria Software has partnered with WhenU of 'WhenUSave' and 'SaveNow' infamy. They've removed WhenU from their spyware/malware definition lists, certified their applications as safe, and they deny that money was involved. As a result, SpywareInfo and many other anti-spyware sites are delisting Aluria's 'Spyware Eliminator' from their lists of preferred software. Is this a dangerous trend for anti-spyware? Or are we just witnessing a natural evolution? I sure hope it's neither - I like my Windows boxes junkware-free, thanks (oxymoron noted)."
How is different from virus vendors stopping reporting on "corporate" keyloggers?
One problem that these anti-spyware programs are bound to run into is claims that a "spyware" program is a "legitimate business to consumer marketing connection enabler" by its makers. Afterall, in most cases the user has "agreed" to allow these programs to run by installing something without fully reading the terms of service.
That may be the reason why this group caved... not that money changed hands, but the threat of a lawsuit was waived around.
This happened with lavasoft too, right? They started some consortium on spyware and then left it when it was evident that evil practices were going on... Perhaps there needs to be a legal definition of spyware before vendors will keep constant as to their aims? The problem is with defining it is that the somewhat arbitrary nature that's necessary will backfire and be abused *cough cough DMCA cough cough*.
AccountKiller
Does this mean the only anti-spyware solution we can trust is or should be open source?
I would think yes.
Anybody else?
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I think it might be a good idea for an online tester to get a hold of all the popular Adware/Spyware removers and test them out side-by-side to figure out who "forgot" to block a given companies ads... Atleast then we could figure out who's on our side and who's on theirs...
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A scam in which all people involved perceive as beneficial...
..but to be fair, Aluria says that they're concerned with "malicious spyware." If you RTFA, they indicate that they felt that the disclosure practices and what-not are all above-ground.
Not that this helps people installing without scanning the EULA and getting nasty little "gifts," but it's hardly malicious if you agree to it.
*Disclaimer* I have no idea what exactly WhenU does, never had it on my system. If it IS malicious, then immediately discount this post. Regardless, I'll be busy vomiting from my over-exposure to advertising in general.
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Apparently the keylogs weren't secure and someone inside the company stole his credit card info when he made a (work related) purchase from Amazon.com on his own credit card.
If you're at work and not using your own laptop or a Knoppix disk, make sure you only use a corporate credit card when ordering online.
Personally I think he should have sued his employer, but he wanted to keep his job.
http://www.lavasoftsupport.com/index.php?showtopic =44037
Check this thread out from Lavasoft's own forums..."Hotbar" and "not a threat"...used in the same context? That's like using "not evil" to describe "Satan"!!!
Perhaps Lavasoft is another one getting ready to sell out...?
Spyware will become a serious threat to operating systems of choice as well, once they become a bit more popular. It's exactly the kind of software that operating system level security cannot stop, namely, software willingly (if not knowingly) installed by the user.
Seeing that a lot of software for *nix systems needs to be installed as root, spyware could potentially bypass any OS security mechanisms, and there will be no end to the potential damage.
I think this situation needs addressing. Distributions supporting and simplifying installing software by regular users (as opposed to systemwide installation by the superuser) would be a good first step, with many additional benefits.
Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
This "age old" question is perhaps the stupidest conspiracy theory I've ever heard. Corporations go to great lengths to avoid lawsuits, and I can't imagine that any successful antivirus company would risk losing all of their money in a class action lawsuit by pulling such a stupid move. Why would an antivirus corporation risk writing viruses? There are plenty of socially stunted 15 year olds to do that.
BTW the pural of "virus" is "viruses". Look it up on google.
It's happened here. I'm from Minneapolis. You may know that we get snow around here in the winters. Remember, snowfall means fender-benders, and body shops hereabouts live for the winter repair season. One mild winter an employee of a local bodyshop was found guilty of driving around the city in a beat-up old wreck, sideswiping parked cars in an attempt to give his business enough work.
Just because you "can't imagine" unethical behavior doesn't mean it won't happen. What makes you think Aluria was a "successful" company, turning a profit? When it comes time to making sure the bank has enough money to cover payroll on Friday afternoon, desperate people have been known to turn to desperate measures. Actually, we have some measure of their desperation already -- they're partnering with WhenU (which is indeed scumware no matter how you classify it.)
I'm not saying Aluria or any antivirus company is guilty of anything criminal. I am saying that some people are more desperate than you might think, and that they may take an unethical route to drum up more business.
John
In arguing about the recent actions of Aluria, the discussion will inevitably be steered toward whether WhenU (is, is not) malware/spyware/crapware/*ware, i.e. whether it is right or wrong for Aluria to decide they don't fit Aluria's definition of a threat, and de-list WhenU. This conveniently sidesteps larger and much more ominous issues:
1) The amalgam (Aluria+WhenU) is now a competeting product to other spyware removers. (Aluria+Whenu) could more legitimately bring suit against AdAware/Spybot/etc. for the "anti-competitive" practice of removing WhenU.
As Eric L. Howes notes,
"It now appears that the Aluria scanner is actually bundled or integrated into the WhenUSearch Toolbar. In other words, by removing the WhenUSearch toolbar, other anti-spyware vendors will effectively be removing a competing anti-spyware product. Still worse, WhenU itself is now a competitor to other anti-spyware vendors."
2) The amalgam (Aluria+WhenU) can worm onto a click-happy user's system due to its existing title of "spyware eliminator", and summarily remove competing ad-belchers from that system (how convenient!). Now WhenU's promotions aren't being drowned out by Gator/Claria, Bargain Buddy and all their other popup-spewing friends you are likely to find on a spyware-prone (read: novice user) computer.
Do note that AOL is partnered with Aluria; AOL version 9 bundles Aluria Spyware Eliminator--so we're talking about a potentially enormous market here.
Caveat Emptor is not a business model.