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Transgaming Announces Cedega Free Trial

ProudClod writes "Transgaming has just announced a time limited demo of their Cedega product (formerly known as WineX), which allows Windows games (including those that utilize DirectX) to be played on Linux. The demo will run for two weeks until 15th November, and will allow gamers to test out the full version of Cedega for that period. The official press release is also available."

26 comments

  1. Time-limited? by FooAtWFU · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Out of curiosity: who checks the time? If I set my system clock back whenever I wanted to play a game, would you get to use it indefinitely?

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    1. Re:Time-limited? by erykjj · · Score: 1, Funny

      And what if you ran it within a VM?

    2. Re:Time-limited? by Gherald · · Score: 1

      > And what if you ran it within a VM?

      The gaming performance would suffer drastically...

      And if you're going to use a VM, you may as well install a bootleg XP and be done with it.

    3. Re:Time-limited? by erykjj · · Score: 1

      Ahhhh! So that's what I should have done! Doh!

    4. Re:Time-limited? by Gherald · · Score: 1

      Are you being sarcastic? Because my comment was perfectly serious... Wine (or anything else) inside a VM = very bad game performance.

      But *IF* you are bent on this crazy idea of using a VM for games, why not run XP in the VM? Much less hassle.

    5. Re:Time-limited? by entitude · · Score: 2, Informative

      I asked this to the Transgaming dev team, who replied that "It requires some server contact is all [we're] saying..." Sounds like you're out of luck. On the other hand, $5/month isn't exactly expensive.

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    6. Re:Time-limited? by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      But *IF* you are bent on this crazy idea of using a VM for games, why not run XP in the VM?

      Because DirectX still won't work right.

      LK

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  2. But it's Open Source... by Anusien · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So two things occur to me after RTFAing. First, their time-limited demo isn't that great because you can still build from the CVS sources. Sure it's a pain in the ass, but you can do it, especially if your computer is fast enough to be running the games anyway. As an aside, I'm wondering why they're saying to game publishers: "The Cedega Time Limited Demo gives you the opportunity to test your titles for free.". Shouldn't they be offering it to game devs for free anyway for better advertising? (IE: ID Games tested it and it works out of the box with Cedega).

    1. Re:But it's Open Source... by entitude · · Score: 3, Interesting

      CVS doesn't have features found in the full version, notably the copy-protection which is essential to running games.

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    2. Re:But it's Open Source... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cedega doesn't help the Linux game community. It keeps the industry MS centric. We need native games, not "emulated" ones.

    3. Re:But it's Open Source... by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      The code that allows you to play copy-protected games is closed source; that was the only way they could get the details of the mechanisms.

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  3. Can they ever accept it? by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can the Open Source community ever accept closed source paid programming?

    It's also an additional cost on an already expensive hobby.

    If this was open source I could see it working, but like this?

    An open demo of software as powerful as this might be useful in some other system but it's definitly a lock in in this case. The games will all become useless when the software is deactivated.

    I can't see this working, in fact this may be a situation where the windows cracking community might lend a hand.

    1. Re:Can they ever accept it? by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      Believe it or not yes. Though apparently one of Transgamings main customers have been boxed distros. But either way they have been making money with previous versions of WineX, this is just a rename.

    2. Re:Can they ever accept it? by travail_jgd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "Can the Open Source community ever accept closed source paid programming?"

      While I can't speak for the community, I paid $40 to CodeWeavers for CrossOver Office. Considering how well it works, I have no regrets spending the cash. And I use OpenOffice almost all the time -- I just have some spreadsheets that only work in Excel. (The latest versions of Gnumeric, Kspread, and OpenOffice Calc fail to work properly)

      (I know, somewhat offtopic...)

    3. Re:Can they ever accept it? by bear+pimp · · Score: 1

      I don't understand why people are against this kind of thing, and yet I see a lot of people in the linux community being anti - 'closed source paid programming' (to use the above term.)

      Why? I genuinely don't get it - someone is providing a product they have invested their time and effort in; where is the evil in that? I don't see how people can be expected to work for free when there is no open source equivalent of housing and food ;) I know some people manage to, but we don't all have funding from a government/company/rich person, and yet we still have to eat.

      This is a genuine question to the Linux community, from someone outside it.

    4. Re:Can they ever accept it? by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 1

      Why? I genuinely don't get it - someone is providing a product they have invested their time and effort in; where is the evil in that? I don't see how people can be expected to work for free when there is no open source equivalent of housing and food ;) I know some people manage to, but we don't all have funding from a government/company/rich person, and yet we still have to eat.

      Because there's always a group of loose-knit hackers that are willing work together and make a free alternative. This is only an exception because Cedega is open sourced already--they're just paying for precompiled binaries and an easy installer.

      Open source software has yet to produce an entirely free game on par with existing commercial products, because more than just coding is required. However, as more and more artists, musicians, writers, etc., move to Linux, we may see this start to happen.

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    5. Re:Can they ever accept it? by entitude · · Score: 1

      This is only an exception because Cedega is open sourced already--they're just paying for precompiled binaries and an easy installer.

      Actually, the "free" version of Cedega available in the CVS repository isn't the same as the version available to subscribers, and, now, anyone who downloads the timedemo. The CVS version lacks features of the full version, especially the copy-protection circumvention code.

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    6. Re:Can they ever accept it? by bear+pimp · · Score: 1

      Re: GreyWolf3000
      Thanks for trying to explain, but it still doesn't explain the vitriol displayed by the Linux community. If I'm correct: you are saying that the Linux community hates this, because someone else might do the same thing for free.

      It just doesn't make any sense to me why someone might hate a software developer for actually charging for their work.

      I guess I must be missing something - but it's something I'd like to understand.

    7. Re:Can they ever accept it? by GreyWolf3000 · · Score: 1

      It just doesn't make any sense to me why someone might hate a software developer for actually charging for their work.

      Charging for software and restricting the freedom of the software are not the same thing.

      The GPL doesn't require that you release your software at no cost, it just guarantees that anyone who receives the software has access to the source code.

      Of course, this means that I can take your code, compile it, and distribute it for free with no legal repercussions.

      So, in a sense, it's not that we as a community hate making money off of software itself, we're just willing to collaborate and develop our own alternative if the only software that exists doesn't provide the source code.

      Microsoft and the closed source world want to make hardware a commodity, and software and software support valuable. We want to make both hardware and software a commodity, and keep the support valuable.

      And, actually, from an end user perspective, the support becomes free too when entire communities emerge around pieces of software.

      It's not that we hate software developers--we're software developers too! Software developers that make money off of their software still have a place in two big markets. First, you can still make money off of contract jobs. Secondly, companies that support and do consulting for other companies may need new software. They hire you to write it, and just plain don't care if the rest of the world has it or not, because they're not making money off of what their software can do, but what problems they solve.

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    8. Re:Can they ever accept it? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      I'll Pay for Software, but I will not, cannot, should not, sign a draconian, restrictive, arrogant and possibly illegal EULA.

      EULAs are the work of cowboy software makers who write shoddy software, force their way to a monopoly, and then use their monopoly to bend the law and your rights past the point of ductile return.

      I don't mind paying for software As long as I know I'm getting a fair deal.
      I bought it. It's mine. I paid for it. I'll do as I please with it.

      They're putting EULA on video games now. Appartently you automatically agree to the EULA contained in the manual, which is sealed in the box, the moment you open the box. This is exactly the kind of mentality that cowboy sellers use to fool you. My game, I bought it, etc... Games have been largely licening free for a long time(excluding PC games). I'd hate to see this change.

      Linux/GNU/FOSS users will pay for kit. But they'll be reluctant to sign their rights, possibly to their entire systems, away to some souless legal departement in gods know where. Especially since most distros are so GPLed and restriction free.

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  4. A short review by Spoing · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is a repost of mine from other forums.

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    Sadly, I have to say that I'm not impressed with the demo version. It's a real pain to use, gives no feedback at times if it is doing something. It's also not obvious how to manually run the applications; it's not automatic enough to avoid known problems, and not discoverable enough to find an easy fix.

    One positive comment: Once I was able to get a game working -- Civilization III -- it was much quicker than earlier versions of WineX when I was a subscriber.

    That said, I'd rather have the old interface and the new backend; it wasn't as slick, though I didn't feel as helpless attempting to dig through it.

    Right now, I've been entirely frozen out;

    "Access to the downloaded file is forbidden."

    OK. What does this mean?

    Here's what happened leading up to the above problem;

    1. Installed the demo version. Note: It reports "This product was installed in: /". Installing in root would be bad...so I checked...nope. Not in /.
    2. Ran cedega_timedemo to bring up the menu.
    3. Installed a couple different programs.
    4. Install went fine.
    5. Running the programs returned the "Error=21" message.
    6. Did some hunting on the Internet.
    7. Cedega is incompatable with exec-shield. Exec shield can be turned off (as root);

    echo 1 > /proc/sys/vm/legacy_va_layout
    echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/exec-shield

    8. Some programs worked...kinda. Civilization III would run, fast, though the sound had to be disabled or the background chirping noise would have driven me crazy. (Noted as a defect in Civ III...though does not happen as much in real Windows.) Updated Civ III to latest relase...no change in chirping.
    9. Other programs still reported "Error=21" message. Noted that one last ditch effort that worked for users of the full version was to remove the directory and try again. Nuked the _user_ timedemo directories.
    10. After entering in registration information, this message apears;

    "Access to the downloaded file is forbidden."

    11. Ran uninstall_cedega_timedemo.
    12. Reported some directories had data. Nuked them too.
    13. Reinstalled again.
    14. As before -- after entering in registration information -- the message appears again;

    "Access to the downloaded file is forbidden."

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  5. What the heck is up with this installer? by Codename_V · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is it just me, or is this cedega installer the biggest piece of junk ever made? I tried it as a user, but that didn't work because it prompts me for a password. I mean, at that point alone the thing already stinks, but it gets worse. I enter the root password and it still doesn't work. I try again, nothing. Finally I figure out it's using sudo and enter my own password. Now I'm not a sudoer, so I need to set that up. Try again, and now it can't write to my home directory because it's an nfs share. Ok...why not just run it as root then. But when I run as root, it still tries to run sudo, so now, stupidly enough, I end up having to add root to the list of sudoers. Finally, that got the thing to work. But man, why in the hell not let me just install it as a normal user into my home directory? Would that be so hard? Good luck getting me to pay for junk like this...

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    1. Re:What the heck is up with this installer? by entitude · · Score: 1

      I'm assuming that you're using Ubuntu.

      I don't see why you'd blame Ubuntu design decisions on the Transgaming team.

      Note: I love Ubuntu, and use it exclusively.

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    2. Re:What the heck is up with this installer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows stinks, why would anyone want to emulate it? Or pretend to use it so they can play games. Leave the 3d gameing for the slums of society, meanwhile, I will go and play xboard.

    3. Re:What the heck is up with this installer? by Codename_V · · Score: 1

      What in the world would my distro have to do with it? And no, I don't use Ubuntu, I don't know where you got that from.

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    4. Re:What the heck is up with this installer? by big+ben+bullet · · Score: 1

      i can't help it ... have toooo.. tr..o.ll

      because *everybody* is using ubuntu these days

      it's always ubuntu this, ubuntu that, ubuntu here and ubuntu there; maybe grandparent noticed ubuntu wasn't mentioned yet in this slashdot article...

      anywho, does this timedemo work on x86_64 distro's (i mean the ones with /lib _and_ /lib64 like suse 9.1 orso...) ?

      (sorry, couldn't help myself)