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Kerry Concedes Election To Bush
WilliamGeorge points to this MSNBC story "that presidential candidate John Kerry has called George W Bush to concede the election. So it is over, and without a lot of extra fuss and recounts."
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in Ohio if those districts were given enough voting machines to get people through the polling places. people waited 9 hours!!!!
not to mention all the democrats that flipped!!! I hope they rot in hell!!!
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O Canada!
Our home and native land!
True patriot love in all thy sons command.
With glowing hearts we see thee rise,
The True North strong and free!
From far and wide,
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
God keep our land glorious and free!
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
O Canada, we stand on guard for thee.
is the link to the Draft-Dodging HOWTO.
The ones who brought up the first draft bill where Democrats, which was opposed by the Republicans and rest of the Democrats alike, so how does Bush winning make it more likely?
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We hear a lot of threats to move from silly starlets and disgruntled geeks, but I've never heard of anyone who actually did it.
By the way, if anyone actually did move overseas, we miss you, and you can come back whenever you're ready. We won't wait up, but we'll leave the light on for you.
See what I've been reading.
This is what annoys me. CONCEDING DOES NOT MAKE BUSH THE WINNER. He can concede and the election can still go the other way. It doesn't remove him from the race. Nothing's changed except they're announcing their predictions.
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ALL HAIL CANADA!
I am glad the Popular Vote reflects the Electorial Vote. But the Popular Vote should be all that counts in ANY election. We have no need for the Electorial college any more. It is a deprecated system that is not needed in this day of information technology.
/.-ers being urban no wonder this proposal is always very popular with the /. crowd. Also folk living in Europe find it handy because for the life of them they can't imagine a state larger than their frigging toy-size country).
Yes, so that a candidate can campaign in California and NY (and maybe the Lake states) and be done with the election.
There was a _reason_ the electoral college came into being: so that populous states would not "drown" out the less populous ones. It had nothing to do with "information technology".
Pure popular votes are *always* skewed towards urban interests. (Incidentally the majority of
I hope never to see this proposal of yours accepted in my lifetime. I credit the founding fathers with more wisdom than you.
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The US has a slightly outdated system, but there are analogous situations in any fair system. If you have counted 90% of the ballots and 66% of those (60% of the total) are for one person, it is almost impossible for the other person to win a simple majority. If you factor in statistical analysis of voting patterns in the unreported votes, you can get a pretty good estimate of results before counting every vote.
That is all that has happened here: There are lots of votes left to count, and where they can make a difference, they will be counted. The results are not yet final, and the results will not be final until January 6 when Congress counts the electoral college ballots.
Well...
When one guy leads by 136k votes and there are ~175k left to count...
I'd call that pretty well decided.
Be a PATRIOT--because the only thing we have to fear is the lack thereof.
If you get rid of the electoral college, then Presidential candidates will no longer even try to listen to issues facing voters in less populous states, such as Montanna, Wyoming, North and South Dakota. The electoral college ensures that Presidential candidates must address issues facing the entire country and not just those living in San Francisco, Dallas, New York City, etc.
The electoral college is an important fixture in our political process and should not be dismantled.
I'm American and lived in Canada about half my adult life and am one of the disgruntled geeks getting ready to leave again. I loved Canada. I'm sorry I didn't stay there and get on a citizenship track. I'll probably go someplace even cheaper and warmer this time and try to retire early.
The people in Canada are consistently a lot easier to live with than Americans. They aren't nearly as arrogant, stuck on themselves, and aren't socialized to think its their prerogative to shit on the rest of the world. Canadians can spot Americans a mile away since they are routinely assholes when they visit Canada. Canadians, at least all the ones I know, are consistently nice level headed people, hard workers, great partiers, its no accident they churn out great comedians, and THEY HAVE GREAT BEER. American beer sucks by comaprison. They have pretty strong socialist leanings but there are right wingers there just like here, they just aren't rabid like the American right wing.
If you are going to be an expat you need to be ready to deal with the immigration system which is the biggest hassle. It depends on where you are going but you usually need a job waiting, with a visa, though many countries like Costa Rica have pensionero visas where you just have to have a clean record and a proven investment income. Its designed to draw wealthy gringos who are looking for a cheap place to retire and spend their money. I think its a couple thousand dollars a year in interest, social security or investment income so its pretty easy to do. It is only a visa though.
The big challenge to being an expat is if you are really going to do it you have to ditch your U.S. passport and citizenship and get citizenship where you are going. It takes a lot of time and work to get citizenship most places and you need to make sure you pick a country where you are going to be happy, fit in for the duration, and a place that isn't like to explode in a revolution for example. Americans are too fat dumb and happy to revolt but there are places where radical changes do happen, often with the help of the CIA.
If you dont renounce your citizenship you get to file income tax returns with Uncle Sam in perpetuity and that means you are still supporting the mad dogs that now rule Washington. If you make more than than the exemption limit on foreign income you get double taxed, where you live and by Uncle Sam. I think the annual exemption was around $70K but I dont know what it is now. I'd heard the Republicans were moving it and maybe even lowering it to tax expats more though I don't recall what actually happened.
All in all carrying a U.S. passport and flaunting your American'ness has always been a bit of a negative around the world, people tend to envy you some and resent you some more. After the last 4 years I imagine flaunting American, and especially bragging about, in most of the world is going to invite nothing but negativity and grief. Canadains treat most Americans reasonably well because they are generally nice people but they aren't likely to really accept you and frequently will do their best screw you given the chance, just because you live in a country that tries to screw the rest of the world at every opportunity in every way.
@de_machina
The speech is not binding in any way.
The election will not be over for several weeks. Each state has to finish counting all absentee ballots and provisionals(if used in that state) and certify a total. That will end it for all the state races. The electors will then meet and elect the President, nothing different, happens the same way every four years.
Every news source I can find says the total number of provisionals in Ohio is less than the current margin, if they are all valid, even if every one was for Kerry he would still loose.
Let the people do their jobs and we shall see what happens.
Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
I moved from the United States to Finland a month and a half ago due to the political situation in the USA. I was born in the USA and so were my parents, I'm not a returning former citizen to Finland or any such thing.
I'm posting in response to RealAlaskan's request for information about someone who had actually done the move. If people want to be angry at the content of my post, or troll, or whatever, that's on them. I imagine there are people who will read this who actually want to know.
Question part #1: why?
# It was depressing to wake up every morning knowing that my tax money and support of the American economy was being used to effect morally unconscionable things such as killing people for no good reason. Furthermore, from the moment I realized this was happening, it was my responsibility to stop letting others use my money and resources this way.
# I've learned that I've been lied to both about America itself, and America's role in the world, for my entire life through the television, school, and the work-sleep-die culture that persists there, and I'm angry about it.
# It was frustrating to be forced to see, every day, so many of the people around me (and a few of them otherwise very intelligent) living in a quasi-reality that is based upon these lies, their indoctrination being so complete that it was impossible to communicate what I'd learned to them.
# There are better places to live, and I believe I am now in one of them.
# Most importantly, I became convinced that I and the other people in America who came to understand the problems and recognize the lies were powerless to fix the situation, in spite of the fairy tale image that is put forth in our culture about the nature of American democracy allowing individual heroes to rise up and save the day.
Question part #2: how is it working out?
So far it is working out fine. Part of that is in the details of how I was able to move. I'm a self-employed internet consultant and I have three years worth of business licenses to prove it, and Finland appears to like self employed people. In order to live here legally, I had to get a residence permit from the Finnish government, and in order to do that, I had to first get what is known as a "favorable" work permit opinion from them, which meant basically that I had to show that I could support myself here, either through having found a job that I was legally qualified for, or being self employed. Thorough documentation of my self-employment got me the 'favorable' decision on my work permit opinion, and everything else fell into place. Total money sent to Finland to get both things out of the way: $164 and couple passport-type photographs, and the application process took 6 months from beginning to end. The stuff is valid for 1 year, and I have to reapply each year until I can get citizenship.
To get citizenship here, you have to live here legally for 5 years, and be able to speak one of the primary languages (Swedish or Finnish) when you apply. We'll see how that goes, as that is my plan for the future. Finnish is a very hard language to learn, btw, but within 5 years I hope to be able to get good enough.
So I now live in the Helsinki area and continue to work for my American customers. So far it is working out fine. My rent for this 2 bedroom apartment is around 480 euro/month and it is a decent sized apartment. One does not need a car to do most things around here. Each road of any size has a huge sidewalk the size of a lane of road, and this is for both bicycle riders and pedestrians. City-maintained bike+pedestrian paths also cut through every imagineable area one could presume one might fit, and the ones that cut through the woods are used as ski trails when it snows. The area is an interesting combination of urban + suburb, there are woods everywhere but at the same time, it is a real city. This place is a jogger's dream come true, and people of all ages ride bicycles all over the place. Even old people ride bikes.
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Hmm, let's take a look:
Arkansas, Georgia, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Ohio, Utah and Oregon
Yep, all deep south. Man you were right.
While this will at least save us from hordes of lawyers swarming around constant recounts, it won't save us from any Michael Moore crapumentaries.
The part I find interesting is that the networks were ready to call Colorado for bush already fairly early last night. Bush is currently up by about 120,000 votes in Colorado (as of 12:00pm Nov 3rd) but Boulder county, one of the states largest heavily Democratic counties (over 300,000 people, not sure how many registered voters) has only reported 5% of its precincts vote so far. At the earliest they won't be done counting the regular ballots until this evening, after which there will still be early voting, provisional ballots, absentee ballots, etc. So while I'm not expecting Colorado to switch sides, (120,000 votes is a decent margin to overcome for a 300,000 person county- the Boulder precincts that have reported so far are about 2-1 for Kerry) if it does happen, Bush drops back below 270, even with Ohio, and we would be waiting on Iowa and New Mexico....
If I don't put anything here, will anyone recognize me anymore?
I think this has alot more to do with Kerry not being able to get people excited than anything else. I'm a republican, and voted as such, however I seriously wanted someone else to vote for.
I was ready a year ago to replace Bush, but the offering from the Democrats was so uninspiring to me that I couldn't do it. I don't want a guy who changes with the wind, votes for 30 years consistently saying one thing, and then the next day tries to pretend he never said that.
If Kerry had come out and said "Yes I voted against all of those weapons systems because I think there are better ways to spend money (examples follow)", I would have respected that. As it is though he's just an empty cup that fills up with whatever rain water happens to be falling that day... and I can't get excited about that.
It is something I like about Bush, politicians need to stop being afraid to piss people off, like the saying goes "If you're not on someone's shit list you're not doing anything important.."
Kerry's constant pandering to whichever group of people he happened to be talking to at the moment was so fake and off-putting to me I couldn't bear the idea of him in office for 4 years.
My wife who is a Democrat voted against Kerry, because like me she couldn't get excited about anything he said or did. We watched speeches from Bush, Edwards, and Kerry.. we would always be engaged and interested while Bush and Edwards were speaking, but as soon as Kerry would come on, we'd suddenly find that the lint between our toes was more interesting and find something else to do/watch/talk about.
In short democrats, give us a decent, engaging, exciting and dynamic person who knows what he's talking about and can express it in a way that doesn't make me think I'm in history 101 and the professor is in a wheelchair explaining manifest destiny for the 18th time to the blonde morons in the front row.
George W. Bush, certainly is not the best president that we have ever had but he is OUR GOD DAMN MOTHER FUCKING LEADER, SO LISTEN WITH A LITTLE BIT OF DIGNITY TO WHAT HE SAYS.
You forgot to stick your fingers in your ears and sing LA-LA-LA-LA-LA real loud.
Edith Keeler Must Die
Yet another Bush vote based a lack of information or on false information deliberately spread by the administration. The majority of Bush supporters get the facts wrong. They have been deceived by the administration.
In fact the populations of the UK, Canada, and Mexico have had some of the most severe shift of oppinion AGINST the US. How the hell are we supposed to hunt down and catch or kill terrists now that Bush has alienated the entire world and lost virtally all international support? General public support and police support and intelligence agency support and military support.
How the hell are we supposted to keep out terrorists when even Canada and Mexico have turned against us?
BUSH IS BAD ON FIGHTING TERRORISTS because he has RUINED our international capacity to get at them and shut them down.
Note that most people in the world don't know much about Kerry, they simply want Bush gone because he's a lying jackass, and because under Bush it's US acting like a rogue nation:
Argentina 43% Kerry 6% Bush
Bolivia 25% Kerry 16% Bush
Brazil 57% Kerry 14% Bush
Canada 61% Kerry 16% Bush
China 52% Kerry 12% Bush
Colombia 47% Kerry 26% Bush
Czech Republic 42% Kerry 18% Bush
Dominican Republic 51% Kerry 38% Bush
England 47% Kerry 16% Bush
France 64% Kerry 5% Bush
Germany 74% Kerry 10% Bush
Ghana 48% Kerry 24% Bush
Indonesia 57% Kerry 34% Bush
Italy 58% Kerry 14% Bush
Japan 43% Kerry 23% Bush
Kahzakhastan 40% Kerry Bush 12%
Kenya 58% Kerry 25% Bush
Mexico 38% Kerry 18% Bush
Netherlands 63% Kerry 6% Bush
Norway 74% Kerry 7% Bush
Peru 37% Kerry 26% Bush
Russia Kerry 20% Bush 10%
South Africa 43% Kerry 29% Bush
Spain 45% Kerry 7% Bush
Sweden 58% Kerry 10% Bush
Tanzania 44% Kerry 30% Bush
Turkey 40% Kerry 25% Bush
Uraguay 37% Kerry 5% Bush
Venezuela 48% Kerry 22% Bush
Zimbabwe 28% Kerry 6% Bush
The administration is trying to use the "Oil for Food" to cover up world how WORLD oppinion has turned against us. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with oil for food. The fact is that the administraion lied in justifying the invasion of Iraq. The President KNEW the forged "yellowcake" uranium documents were bogus when he presented them. Our own intelligence KNEW the aluminum tubes were unsuitable for uranium enrichment. We KNEW there was no link between Iraq and Al Qaeda and that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Saddam and Al Qaeda hate each other.
The problem is that ever since the 9/11 attacks and our time of "unity and support", the Amercian media has been unable to effectively criticize the administration, to expose the lies deceptions and coverups. Immediately after 9/11 it was unthinkable to publish anythign that reflected badly on the US or the administration or the president. It was "unpatriotic" and "unamerican" and "divisive". That effect has certainly diminished since 9/11, but it is not gone. In fact that effect was reinvigorated when our troops were fighting in Afghanistan, and when our troops were fighting in Iraq.
The Whitehouse has been deceiving the American public, and the US media has been failing in their job to adaquately inform the public about the facts.
The international media has accurately covered the lies and deceptions of the administration, and accurately covered our appalling behaviour under Bush.
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