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Beagle 3 Plans Revealed

Richard W.M. Jones writes "While the UK's Beagle 2 may have been a well-publicised failure, the same team claims to have learned lessons and are now developing plans for Beagle 3. The new probe might be attached to a European mission due to launch in 2009 as part of Europe's Aurora project."

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  1. For those of you wondering what happened to by Pingular · · Score: 4, Informative

    beagle 1, here's your answer.

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    1. Re:For those of you wondering what happened to by AndroidCat · · Score: 2, Funny

      I figured it was Captain Archer's dog on Enterprise.

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  2. One feature in Beagle 3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Will be a gun with a flashlight!

  3. What really happened to Beagle 2 by tlon · · Score: 5, Funny

    And in related news today, Symantec Corporation announced that it has developed innoculation files for the W32.Beagle.3@mm virus. Symantec officials commented that there is no apparent link between Beagle.2 and the crash of the Beagle lander, but it is not taking any chances.

  4. British engineering by MadFarmAnimalz · · Score: 4, Funny

    the same team claims to have learned lessons

    Translation: They're going to paint it flourescent green so they can tell where it crashed.

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  5. Beagle #2,019,197,204,183,110 has the answer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Mars's composition is mainly... Beagle material.

  6. Plan for success by plover · · Score: 3, Funny
    Step 1: Attach antenna.

    Step 2: Double check that antenna is attached really firmly.

    Step 3: Make sure antenna is hooked to transmitter.

    Step 4: Be sure you didn't disconnect the antenna when checking the transmitter.

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    1. Re:Plan for success by BabyDave · · Score: 4, Funny

      Step 5: Realise that you attached the antenna the wrong way around ... oh wait, that's NASA :)

    2. Re:Plan for success by xsupergr0verx · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, that's the mistake of putting a 3 yard antenna instead of a 3 meter antenna.

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    3. Re:Plan for success by xsupergr0verx · · Score: 2

      1 yard = 0.9144 meter, the error that caused a Mars orbiter to bite the dust.

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  7. Huh?? by SeaDour · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I thought one of the reasons cited for the failure of Beagle 2 was the very fact that it was piggybacked on a separate agency's orbiter. Now they're contradicting themselves, and saying they'll try it again?

    1. Re:Huh?? by meringuoid · · Score: 5, Informative
      Mars Express, the mothership, was built by ESA. It's a success, it's cheap, and we're planning to build a Venus probe based around the same design - a bit like the way the US reused the Mariner spaceprobe design for many missions in the seventies.

      Beagle 2 was a longshot from the word go. It was proposed as one of the scientific packages Express would carry to Mars; nobody was expecting anyone to propose a lander, ESA had in mind spectrometers and sensors and things. So it had to be the smallest lander possible. It also needed funding. Britain has fuck-all space programme, and the Open University, while renowned for its distance-learning courses, isn't exactly loaded, so the cash had to be scraped together from corporate sponsors, whip-rounds, Blur, and what little they could get out of the government on the promise of good publicity.

      Personally I'm amazed it ever got off the ground. Had it landed successfully, it would have been even better; the next Mars probe might easily have carried dozens of the things for not much cost, and scattered them all over the planet. But it seems there's a limit to how small and cheap you can make a device to land on another planet.

      Now... speaking of European piggyback landers, I wish Huygens the very best of luck!

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    2. Re:Huh?? by M1FCJ · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It is more like not enough money (to test and develop) and not enough time (to finish testing and development). Pillinger made it possible with a token amount of money, less than one tenth of the cost of a single American Rover's cost. He at least managed to get the probe all the way to Mars successfully. Many American and especially Russian probes even failed to do that. IMHO, when you look at the project as a total, it was pretty successful but not a complete one. Failure to land is not the end of the things. There is a team who is willing to work on the next one and finding people and money is the hardest thing.

  8. Design flaws waiting to happen.... by Jtheletter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    From the article:
    Advances in solar cell technology mean the craft will be able to cope with half the number of solar panels its predecessor carried: it will open up to reveal two panels rather than previous four.

    So now there is a 50% greater chance of catastrophic energy collection failure. Check.

    The craft's UHF antenna (identical to that on Beagle 2) is positioned on the top panel, so the motorised fanfold mechanism ensures it always points upwards for communication.

    So now when the "fanfold mechanism" for that panel fails we lose communications along with half the power. Check.

    Engineers stressed, however, that this was a preliminary proposal and the design would continue to "evolve".

    Let's hope so.

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    1. Re:Design flaws waiting to happen.... by Fweeky · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "So now there is a 50% greater chance of catastrophic energy collection failure. Check."

      Maybe, how do you know? Maybe the new panels have a higher MTBF; maybe Beagle 2 really needed all 4 panels, but Beagle III could run off a single new one; maybe with fewer parts the MTBF of the entire system's actually higher even if it can't survive a single failure. Of course, as a random SlashDot poster, I'm sure you're more aware of the issues surrounding it than experienced engineers.
      "So now when the "fanfold mechanism" for that panel fails we lose communications along with half the power. Check."

      You're probably boned if you lose either; so what? Are you somehow under the impression that having *more* parts you're dependent on makes for a more reliable system? Do you RAID-0 your HD's by any chance?
  9. They must speak a different language over there by RealAlaskan · · Score: 3, Funny
    They must speak a different language over there: it will have ``deadbeat airbags'', and though they call it a beagle, it doesn't have short legs or long ears. Well, the last one was really a dog, so maybe that fits.

    It's almost as if they don't speak english.

  10. Stick with seafaring tradition by Camel+Pilot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You never name a ship after a spectacular failure

    Would you sail on the Titanic II

    1. Re:Stick with seafaring tradition by eln · · Score: 4, Informative

      Technically, wasn't Apollo 11 the name of the mission, not the spacecraft? The spacecraft was named "Columbia" (command module) and "Eagle" (lander). That would be like saying the space shuttle that crashed was the "STS 107" rather than "Columbia".

    2. Re:Stick with seafaring tradition by DeathByDuke · · Score: 2, Interesting

      well, good point, but only the robot died with Beagle 2 ;)

    3. Re:Stick with seafaring tradition by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, I would, because you can bet that the Titanic II would be the most carefully engineered passenger ship in history.

      I flew on 9/11/02. A lot of the people in the airport with me were chattering about how nervous they were. I was thinking that there has probably been no safer day in the entire history of aviation to fly.

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    4. Re:Stick with seafaring tradition by Captain_Chaos · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You never name a ship after a spectacular failure

      I agree, but the Beagle 3 isn't named after the Beagle II, it's named after the Beagle, which was a spectacular success...

  11. Re:Beagle 3...why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe because the rovers were only designed to do one thing really well, and the Beagle probe was designed to do some other thing really well?

  12. English to Metric? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Let's hope they do a better job than JPL...

    How do you convert slugs to metric anyway?

    Should you avoid putting salt on its tail?

    1. Re:English to Metric? by Col.+Bloodnok · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Firstly it's known as imperial not 'English' and secondly we stopped using imperial units for engineering and science many, many years ago.

      You'll still find me using feet and inches when I'm doing a spot of carpentry in the garden shed at the weekend and I'll follow that up with a crafty pint in the local, to wash the sawdust away.

      Interestingly most timber sizes in the UK are just the imperial size expressed in millimetres, so if you ask for 90mmx90mm instead of 4-by-4 prepared, you receive blank stares, but thanks to the bloody EU, it's illegal to advertise it in imperial measurments.

  13. Colin Pillinger by Timesprout · · Score: 3, Funny

    Points to mars

    Fetch Beagle2 boy, good boy Beagle3, fetch.

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  14. Plan details involve... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...sending a lander to intercept one of the mars rovers, breaking off the NASA antennas, installing a proper British antenna, and placing a Beagle 3 plaque on it.

  15. Earth VS Mars by Picass0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Mars Expensive Hardware Lob - The Mars Scorecard - 20:17 with Earth losing

    http://www.bio.aps.anl.gov/~dgore/fun/PSL/marssc or ecard.html

  16. Things we learned: by sxltrex · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't hit the ground so hard.

    1. Re:Things we learned: by vsprintf · · Score: 2, Funny

      Don't hit the ground so hard.

      And the count shall be three and no more before pulling the holy ripcord. It shall not be four, nor five, nor six, nor include fractions, but three. Three is the count. (Apologies to Monty Python. :)

  17. Re:the british and electronics... by Tandoori+Haggis · · Score: 3, Informative

    Thats quite funny.

    Reality check:

    Real ale is typically served at celar temperature, (below room tempererature), so it's refreshing. It is typically served a few degrees warmer than a block of ice because there's no need to numb your taste buds unlike certain "beers" which
    if you could taste you wouldn't drink.

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  18. Re:Beagle 3...why? by Ga_101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The two NASA rovers are robotic Geologists'.

    The Beagles' are robotic Chemists.

    While the NASA robots have done a good job in the "Hummm thats interesting" way of Geology, if Beagle 2 had landed, we would know if life had existed in that area of Mars. Indeed, the head of the Beagle project has critised the two NASA rovers for lacking anything to conduct any real science.

    It is reasons like this that we need to send more robots. Beagle 2 cost a mere fraction of either of the two NASA rovers and they in turn cost a hell of a lot less than a manned mission.

    Until money is not an object (ie like in the original space race, aka "beat the commies/capitalist pig dogs"), a manned mission won't happen. This is the next best thing.

  19. Mass Vs Weight by Kurayamino-X · · Score: 3, Funny

    "would have a mass at entry into the Martian atmosphere of about 131kg"
    BAD science reporter! BAD! no treat for you.

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  20. Will there be more *guaranteed* funding? by slinted · · Score: 3, Interesting

    MPs blame lack of cash for failure of Beagle 2

    The most recent report on the failure of Beagle II, done by the House of Commons Science and Technology select committee sighted many "amateurish" funding woes and a lack of cooperation between the USA and the UK government as the underlying cause of failure. Pillenger responded by saying that they couldn't get guarantees of funding mostly because those groups didn't have the money to give. But what does that say about the success of the next project if the funding for Beagle II was dependant on groups that couldn't afford to guarantee funding but said they'd try to find the money anyway...and then failed to do so, unless they go at the next mission with a different attitude?

    NASA has backed off of its Faster-Better-Cheaper which left faster and cheaper intact, while somewhat disregarding better, in favor of Faster-Better-Fund_Projects_Appropriatly...which seems certainly to have done the trick for such projects as the Mars Exploration Rovers, which (I would agrue appropriatly) cost hundreds of millions of dollars to properly build and test for the challenges they were being asked to face.

  21. Fantastic news! by ScottMaxwell · · Score: 4, Insightful
    My only comment on Beagle 2 when the press asked me about it (as a member of the MER mission, we got that question a lot) was that I was sorry it hadn't worked out, but that the only real failure would be if the Beagle 2 team, and the British people generally, gave up and didn't do a Beagle 3. It was an inventive spacecraft design with an exciting mission, and the team behind it clearly was capable of great things.

    So I'm as happy as anyone (except maybe Dr. Pillinger :-) to see that they're going for it. From a JPL-based Martian to my friends on the Beagle 3 team (and at ESA), best of luck with Beagle 3!

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