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NASA Prize Competition Solicits Ideas and Partners

colonist writes "NASA's prize competition program, Centennial Challenges, is asking for proposals and partner organizations. NASA plans four categories: Flagship Challenges (space missions), Keystone Challenges (technologies), Alliance Challenges (run by partner organizations) and Quest Challenges (students and other groups). You can also submit ideas for prizes."

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  1. X-4000 by uncoveror · · Score: 4, Informative

    Last time they had a competition like this, the winning submission was the X-4000 Launch Aparatus, which is yet to be successfully used.

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  2. Re:In other words... by demachina · · Score: 4, Informative

    Its somewhat worse than that:

    "to identify potential co-sponsor organizations interested in contributing cash toward one or more prize competitions,"

    Before I start a rant let me preface it with an interesting URL, Kelly Johnson's rules. If you don't know Kelly Johnson he was the genius behind Lockheed's original skunworks and built two airplanes which are still engineering marvels and he did both in months not decades. His rules are the antithesis of all things that are now NASA's manned space program. In particular:

    Rule No. 3

    "The number of people having any connection with the project must be restricted in an almost vicious manner. Use a small number of good people (10 percent to 25 percent compared to the so-called normal systems)."

    Now back to the Centennial prizes. NASA is apparently looking for organizations outside of NASA to give NASA money to help fund part of the prizes. The irony of an agency that wastes billions a year trying to suck cash out of little innovative organizations like the Ansari X prize is just to much.

    Seems to me like they are trying to embrace, extend and extinguish the X prize concept much like another monopoly we know.

    They make way to many references to "partners" in this program. Forming partnerships is how another monopoly we know destroys competitors.

    NASA is obviously nervous about the X prize because its the first thing exciting to happen in manned space flight in a couple decades. Sure it was just a high altitude flight but they did it on a tiny budget and a fast schedule and it was entirely private and NASA was totally cut out of it and they have massive egg on their face.

    NASA's effort would be a great program if they would take some of the billions they are now wasting on the Space Shuttle and ISS and put them in to either no string grants or real winner take all prizes.

    If you are an organization that either wants to sponsor prizes or win them, partnering with NASA is about the last thing you want to do. In particular I'm guessing any work you do will end up belonging to NASA and not to your organization. If you want to get sucked up in to a money devouring bureaucracy that doesn't do anything innovative in manned space flight anymore, and now needs someone to do it for them but have it still look like NASA needs to be in the loop, then go right ahead. If you want to just feed at the NASA trough then this may also be a good route to go.

    I'll reitereate what I've said before here. Giving Burt Rutan a billion or two in no strings grants to go to the next stage and build a vehicle that could fly to the ISS on a weekly basis would be priceless. Maybe he couldn't do it but manned space flight needs a new organization like Kelly Johnsons old skunkworks. You need a talented, seat of the pants, engineer who can put together a small, fast, agile team of the best of the best who are there to succeed and if they do get rewarded for it in a big way. Burt Rutan is the closest match I've seen to Kelly Johnson.

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  3. High Density Aneutronic Nuclear Fusion by Baldrson · · Score: 2, Informative
    Back in 1992 I developed some legislation for prize awards that one of the founders of the fusion energy program picked up on. It is relevant here because its goal is a very advanced form of fusion, adaptable to propulsion, that could make opening up the inner solar system for settlement, as well as industrialization, happen a lot faster.

    One of the keys to transportation economy is the time value of money -- and that translates into velocity.

    For example, one of the fallacies of asteroidal mining proponents is that you can afford to bring the stuff back to earth. The problem is the round-trip times start killing you due to interest costs on the capital equipment.

    If you had nuclear rather than chemical propulsion that helps, but you still have problems with the shear mass of fission systems.

    What you ideally want is aneutronic fusion of light atomic nuclei in a device that has a very high specific power. The worst you have to do is provide gamma ray shielding and you may actually be able to do round-trips to the asteroid belt in weeks.

    Anyway, here is an excerpt from the relevant legislative language:

    (4) "scientific research" means activities that discover
    knowledge about natural phenomena, which, under existing statute,
    cannot be held as intellectual property via patent;

    (5) "scientific knowledge" means knowledge acquired or
    discovered through scientific research;

    (6) "development" means the acquisition of knowledge or
    reduction to practice of an invention which does not exist in nature
    and which has some practical value or which has value as intellectual
    property under patent law or other statutes;

    (7) "engineering break-even" means the production, by a fusion
    energy device, of a fusion burn which consumes at least 5% of the
    confined fusion fuel and which produces at least twice the energy
    consumed by the fusion energy device during the burn;

    (8) "commercial break-even" means the self-sustaining
    operation of a fusion energy device by feeding its power output back
    to its power input without the need for any outside input except its
    fuel;

    (9) "commonly available" is any fuel whose dollar (1991) per
    ounce commercial price multiplied by the number of tons of plant and
    equipment required to burn it per million watts sustained power
    production is a quantity less than 10,000 dollar-tons per megawatt-ounce;

    (10) "energetically aneutronic" means any fuel which, when
    burned in a fusion energy system, produces neutron radiation carrying
    away less than 10% of the produced energy;

    (11) "environmentally aneutronic" means any fuel which, when
    burned in a fusion energy system, produces neutron radiation carrying
    away less than 1% of the produced energy;

    ...etc...

    (6) The first Commercial Fusion Enterprise to demonstrate engineering break-even shall receive a $100,000,000 prize from the Fusion Energy Trust Fund, which is hereby established, and whose contents are to be invested in 30 year Treasury instruments and whose disbursements are to be administered by the National Academy of Engineering.

    (7) The first Commercial Fusion Enterprise to demonstrate engineering break-even using an cycle burning an energetically aneutronic fuel shall receive a $100,000,000 prize from the fusion
    Energy Trust Fund.

    (8) The first Commercial Fusion Enterprise to demonstrate engineering break-even using an cycle burning an environmentally aneutronic fuel shall receive a $100,000,000 prize from the fusion
    Energy Trust Fund.

    (9) The fi