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NASA Prize Competition Solicits Ideas and Partners

colonist writes "NASA's prize competition program, Centennial Challenges, is asking for proposals and partner organizations. NASA plans four categories: Flagship Challenges (space missions), Keystone Challenges (technologies), Alliance Challenges (run by partner organizations) and Quest Challenges (students and other groups). You can also submit ideas for prizes."

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  1. Two birds - one stone by shubert1966 · · Score: 4, Funny

    As a challenge, I'd like to submit that myself and a partner be the first couple to conceive a child in space. If this is Sigourney Weaver - then that can be my prize. Like two peas in a pod.

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  2. In other words... by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Hey look folks, we're in a bit of a fix: we have a $15.5bn/yr budget, but we're stuck with this stupid space station, and we're also afraid to do anything in case we screw up again, and we're a big fat brain-dead administration. So, like, can we give one of you a teensy little big of our big pile of cash to give us some ideas? Thank you in advance!"

    I say it's pathetic...

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    1. Re:In other words... by Japong · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's better than the alternative, which is the increasing stagnation of the national space program. I'd really like to see a manned mission to mars in my lifetime or something of similar importance... and if that requires giving some (or lots) of money to the general population to a) renew interest in space exploration, and b) get some potentially helpful outside ideas, then why not?

      Maybe we really will learn if anys can sort tiny screws in space

    2. Re:In other words... by demachina · · Score: 4, Informative

      Its somewhat worse than that:

      "to identify potential co-sponsor organizations interested in contributing cash toward one or more prize competitions,"

      Before I start a rant let me preface it with an interesting URL, Kelly Johnson's rules. If you don't know Kelly Johnson he was the genius behind Lockheed's original skunworks and built two airplanes which are still engineering marvels and he did both in months not decades. His rules are the antithesis of all things that are now NASA's manned space program. In particular:

      Rule No. 3

      "The number of people having any connection with the project must be restricted in an almost vicious manner. Use a small number of good people (10 percent to 25 percent compared to the so-called normal systems)."

      Now back to the Centennial prizes. NASA is apparently looking for organizations outside of NASA to give NASA money to help fund part of the prizes. The irony of an agency that wastes billions a year trying to suck cash out of little innovative organizations like the Ansari X prize is just to much.

      Seems to me like they are trying to embrace, extend and extinguish the X prize concept much like another monopoly we know.

      They make way to many references to "partners" in this program. Forming partnerships is how another monopoly we know destroys competitors.

      NASA is obviously nervous about the X prize because its the first thing exciting to happen in manned space flight in a couple decades. Sure it was just a high altitude flight but they did it on a tiny budget and a fast schedule and it was entirely private and NASA was totally cut out of it and they have massive egg on their face.

      NASA's effort would be a great program if they would take some of the billions they are now wasting on the Space Shuttle and ISS and put them in to either no string grants or real winner take all prizes.

      If you are an organization that either wants to sponsor prizes or win them, partnering with NASA is about the last thing you want to do. In particular I'm guessing any work you do will end up belonging to NASA and not to your organization. If you want to get sucked up in to a money devouring bureaucracy that doesn't do anything innovative in manned space flight anymore, and now needs someone to do it for them but have it still look like NASA needs to be in the loop, then go right ahead. If you want to just feed at the NASA trough then this may also be a good route to go.

      I'll reitereate what I've said before here. Giving Burt Rutan a billion or two in no strings grants to go to the next stage and build a vehicle that could fly to the ISS on a weekly basis would be priceless. Maybe he couldn't do it but manned space flight needs a new organization like Kelly Johnsons old skunkworks. You need a talented, seat of the pants, engineer who can put together a small, fast, agile team of the best of the best who are there to succeed and if they do get rewarded for it in a big way. Burt Rutan is the closest match I've seen to Kelly Johnson.

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  3. X-4000 by uncoveror · · Score: 4, Informative

    Last time they had a competition like this, the winning submission was the X-4000 Launch Aparatus, which is yet to be successfully used.

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  4. have your cake and eat it too by kryonD · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can't help but notice the US continuing to press forward in experimental technology that will bring the world closer together, yet we are still in denial about the resulting effects of this.

    The internet propelled the world rapidly into an era of global trade and communication and yet the US and most of the general populous continue to legislate and complain as though communication and trade were still a function that required a 12 hour flight, or 2 week ship ride to facilitate. Everyone is whining about globalization, WTO etc.., and then turning around and complaining when their job got outsourced to someone who would take a lower wage and not bitch about union rules and overtime. Once upon a time, this country was built on the backs of people who beleived in an honest days work to feed their families and getting the job done was a matter of personal pride, not of billable hours.

    As industries continue to push the boundaries in space technologies, the day imminent where a business man will be able to fly to London, New York, Tokyo, Moscowand back home in the space of a single day. What will happen then when goods can cross the planet in a few hours. If you think illegal trade and outsourcing are bad now, wait another 5 years. I really think the US should start facing reality that it is no longer feasable to hold an economy so far above the rest of the world. Our current rhetoric about trying to secure our borders sounds alarmingly like the same thought that drove China from the World's formost superpower in science, technology, and economy in the 14th century into poverty and isolation.

    All this new stuff from NASA sounds great, and I am a huge proponent of space travel. But the moment someone figures out how to do LEO flights, we are going to find that our $7 Trillion deficit and isolationist fantasy that we can still have everything "made in the USA" is going to drive us back into a 3rd world squallor.

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  5. 5 Challenge ideas by 1337+Twinkie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    1) First privately funded orbital flight
    2)First privately funded lunar rover
    3)Compettions to design space habitats
    4)Zero-G agriculture projects
    5)Contest for student-designed zero-g experiment (to be put on space station and run for period of time)

  6. NASA embarased by success of X-Prize/Rutan? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I read the fine article, and came to the conclusion that some NASA higher-ups had to be embarassed by the success of the X-Prize competition and Rutan's SpaceShipOne. So, as a result, they are starting up their own competing competition. It even imitates that Anasari "next" X-Prize competition in the way it is set up. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, or something like that.

    This should be humorous. I've spent some time reading NASA's publically accessible documents, and they are without a doubt the most overwritten documents I have ever seen. As long as the people involved in the program don't have to maintain NASA-level paper documentation, it might work. I have this sneaking suspicion that the managers NASA attaches to this program might end up killing it by force of documentation.

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  7. Good idea. Now generalize. by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The X-prize was a very cool idea. Offer cold, hard cash for people who successfully do something new and interesting.

    Now NASA is looking for other suggestions for prizes that would have the same effect in other branches of space exploration. More prizes along the same lines could provide incentives for a wide variety of inventions.

    So, here's a proposal. Some body (I'm thinking governmental, because I'm an evil liberal) would accept proposals for prizes, accept donations towards specific prizes from governments and private entities. The prizes can be rewards for any sort of accomplishment. For example, if somebody wants to spur leukemia research, they would draw up a request for a new treatment that reduced the mortality rate by 50%. Then they could front as much money towards the prize as they like, and others would be free to donate as well.

    The prize organization itself would be in charge of determining whether the requirements of a prize had been fulfilled, and of taking care of the money in the meantime. If a prize went well beyond its expected lifetime--say a prize was offered for something truly impossible, like psychic teleportation, and has simply been sitting around for a decade or two--then the money could be funneled into other prizes.

    Other prizes that might be offered:

    *An "effectively secure" electronic voting system.
    *A carbon nanotube with a strength of 150 GPa.
    *A lightbulb that uses 1% of the energy of incandescent bulbs.
    *A good Linux driver for WiFi card X.
    *Gweneth Paltrow's phone number. Okay, maybe not.
    *A way to make soy taste like meat, without putting it through an animal first.

    I figure there should also be some sort of moderation system apart from money, so that good ideas that lack funding can get the attention needed to attract said funding.

    Any improvements to be made, or fundamental problems with the idea?

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  8. Re:Radical thinking by king-manic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, you'd want to shut down one of the few things in the American government that does anythign useful for humanity to provide an incentive for private companies to explore space? that'll work as well as deregulating electricity did with California electricity prices. Somethigns are too expensive and have too few chance of a decent return for private companies to go into. Space is one of them.

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  9. Robert Zubrin's Mars Prizes by colonist · · Score: 4, Interesting

    NASA's Centennial Challenges program is just getting started, but it could lead to big things:

    1. Mars orbiter
    2. Mars sample return
    3. Long-term life-support system
    4. Pressurized rover on Mars
    5. Produce propellants on Mars
    6. Produce 20 tonnes of propellant on Mars
    7. Generate 15 kilowatts power (day/night average) on Mars
    8. Transport 10 tonnes to Martian surface
    9. Transport 120 tonnes to low Earth orbit
    10. Transport 50 tonnes to trans-Mars trajectory
    11. Transport 30 tonnes to Martian surface
    12. Land a crew on Mars and return them safely to Earth

    Robert Zubrin, The Case for Mars, 1997

  10. outsourcing... by zxflash · · Score: 4, Funny

    so basically nasa is outsourcing the job that the dod outsourced to nasa... ah beaurocracy at it's best

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