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Bluetooth Plans to Triple Bandwidth

stallard writes "Yahoo! news reports that "The Bluetooth Special Interest Group (SIG) Monday is releasing a three-year road map for Bluetooth short-range wireless technology that includes a tripling of bandwidth and the ability to multicast signals to seven other users.""

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  1. Short range? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hardly short range. You can increase Bluetooth's range to a full mile, with a simple, inexpensive modification.

    1. Re:Short range? by VeriTea · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, the parent poster is correct when he calls it illegal. The FCC regulations that Bluetooth operate under do not specify transmitter power, they specify effective radiated power (ERP). That means that modifying / changing the antenna to get a more focused beam (thus increasing the effective radiated power) is just as illegal as increasing the transmitter power.

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  2. Re:bluetooth bandwidth by Cranston+Snord · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, bluetooth's physical bandwidth is only 721kb. It's amazing what google will tell you if you ask it.

    http://www.mobileinfo.com/Bluetooth/FAQ.htm#t5
    http://arstechnica.com/news/posts/1086977875.html

    There should be a -1 (Don't know jack shit) mod option. On the other hand, I'm glad you've mastered your buzzwords.

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  3. Re:"from the i'll-believe-it-when-I-see-it dept." by mpost4 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It works that well when used correctly, when I am out and about with my cell phone, palm pilot, and the bluetooth head set, it works as stated. I can dial the cell phone with the palm pilot, talk on the head set and hang up with out ever touching the phone and there are no wires involved. Then I can hit the internet from my palm pilot via the cell phone with out any wire again.

    So Bluetooth when used correctly can elimintate wires. The only problem is people try to applie it as a solution for non-existant problems, like you don't really need a bluetooth keyboard and mouse on a home computer, it would be nice, but it not a problem to have wires there.

  4. Re:Just SEVEN?! by N+Monkey · · Score: 2, Informative

    Talk about aiming low: "signals to seven other users". Of course, as soon was there is a hardcoded limit people will want to exceed it.

    I suspect that, given the range for high data rates is relatively low, unless your friends are the types who like cramming into phone boxes or VW beetles, it's probably not going to be a big issue.

  5. Re:Just SEVEN?! by Zarhan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Seven is the maximum number of Bluetooth devices in a "piconet", so that's where the limit comes from. Multicasting in this context means being able to transmit some data to all the other devices in the piconet ON THE RADIO INTERFACE.

    Simple, but not necessarily practical (or even truthful, not sure) example: You have seven devices connected to a bluetooth basestation using BNEP (Bluetooth Ethernet Emulation). The BS is connected to Internet with some wire. Somebody from "outside world" decides to ping somebody in the Piconet.

    The nearest router sends a broadcast ARP request asking who has IP Address x.x.x.x. Since there is no Bluetooth multicast at the moment, the basestation has to replicate the ARP request for each and every one of the devices. With multicast, it could just send the request once and everyone would receive it (with the right one replying).

    In wireless LAN (802.11) you can broad- and multicast on the link layer just like in traditional wired net; Now they are just adding this functionality to BT.

    Oh, and the limit of seven can be extended; A device can belong to multiple piconets.

  6. Comment riddled with errors by pslam · · Score: 4, Informative
    for those who don't know, bluetooth is currently only 10mbps bandwidth. this is about as much as usb 1.0.

    Currently Bluetooth is about 721 kbits. EDR will extend it to 2.1Mbits.

    tripling the bandwidth isn't really a good solution either if you ask me. while 30mbps is faster, it's not nearly enough to over take the up and coming wireless usb or wireless firewire. both of which i believe are going to be UWB based (i.e. 400mbps).

    Tripling the bandwidth would allow lossless transmission to stereo headphones, where currently it's (slightly) compressed. It's a relatively small change in spec too - mostly just a change to the modulation scheme.

    UWB will likely have a hard time passing regulations (except in the US), because it's a deliberate radiator over a large chunk of everyone else's spectrum. It's also dubious whether it's actually a low power solution, or better than OFDM (802.11g and friends) when power isn't an issue. It also doesn't exist in a useful commercial form, and probably (in my opinion) never will. Or at least, never should.

    one of the interesting design decisions with bluetooth is that it operates at the exact same hz as a cell phone signal. hence the convergence with cell phones and bluetooth, as it was obviously designed with this purpose in mind.

    No, it operates at 2.4GHz, like most other consumer digital wireless stuff.

    maybe we'll get lucky and cell phones will have 1gb+ memory with built in mp3 player support one day, so i won't have to carry so many different damn devices:P

    Because Bluetooth was designed with low power consumption firmly in mind, it's ideal for MP3 players. The transceivers these days are incredibly small. I'm sure you'll see it common place soon.

  7. You forget what Bluetooth is for by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Informative

    But how are you going to get 7 million people in a volume of 30 feet around you?

    Seven is not too bad considering the purpose of bluetooth - short range cheap (as in low energy and cheap chipsetets) device to device communications.

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  8. Re:bluetooth bandwidth by waynelorentz · · Score: 2, Informative

    I've found that the speed of Bluetooth varies greatly by device.

    When I transfer a file from my PowerBook to my SonyEricsson T86mc phone, it only goes about 5k/sec.
    When I transfer a file from my PowerBook to my Sony UX-50 (Palm Pilot-type thingy), I get 35-40k/sec.

    I don't know if this is a software issue, or just that the processor in the device has a hard time keeping up, or what.

    For those of us who live in small spaces, and travel a lot, Bluetooth is a Godsend. I have nine Bluetooth devices, and can't imagine going back to wires.

  9. bandwidth is not data rate by Dr.+Null · · Score: 3, Informative

    I hate to be picky, but I think everybody is using the word bandwidth to mean data rate.
    Bandwidth has units of Hz and data rate has units of bits/sec. True that increasing the bandwidth of a signal can increase the data rate, but the reverse need no be the case.
    In fact if you read the article they tell us that the increased data rate will be accomplished through changes in the data modulation (most likely by moving from binary phase shift keying, to quadrature phase shift keying, or higher).

    DR. Null

    1. Re:bandwidth is not data rate by pclminion · · Score: 2, Informative
      This is absolutely correct. To be precise about it, the theoretical maximum data rate of a channel, in bits per second, is equal to W*log2(1+SNR) where W is the bandwidth in hertz, and SNR is the signal to noise ratio.

      In this case, however, they have not changed the bandwidth or power. Notice that the data rate formula (called the Shannon limit) indicates the maximum possible data rate. In practice, the data rate is lower because modulation schemes are not perfect. In this case, they have switched to a better modulation scheme, and as a result they are not "wasting" as much of their bandwidth.