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Trials for Type 1 Diabetes Cure

An anonymous reader writes "According to this New York Times article, the pharmaceutical companies and NIH are shunning research for a cure for Type 1 diabetes. There's no money in a cure using medicine with an expired patent. Dr Faustman (researcher/professor at Harvard Medical School) has cured type 1 diabetes in mice and has been approved for Phase 1 clinical trials in humans. The only problem is raising the money, which Lee Iacocca is helping with."

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  1. Non-NYT article link by vslashg · · Score: 5, Informative

    The NYT must be cracking down; the first dozen logins from bugmenot.com didn't work for me.

    No problem, I found a copy of the NYT article on Lee Iacocca's page. (Hopefully the server holds up.) Enjoy.

  2. The news I have been waiting for! by failedlogic · · Score: 4, Funny

    I will be calling Dr Faustman's office tommorow for more information and a follow up appointment. Even if it means taking a trip to Harvard from Canada. My pet mouse needs the cure desparately.

  3. As a Type 1 Diabetic by friedegg · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been following Dr Faustman's research since I learned of it a couple years ago, and I have a lot of hope that it will work. However, I've also been aware of the fact that if a cure is found, or a cheaper alternative treatment, there will be many obstacles to getting it to us.

    Type 1 diabetics are in the minority, but we're still pretty big cash cows for certain companies. Besides the various types of insulin we need to survive, most diabetics that wish to succesfully manage the disease use additional products like disposeable needles, blood glucose meters and strips (big money), insulin pumps, and more. Potentially, it's many thousands of dollars per person per year and not many companies would want to lose that cashflow.

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    1. Re:As a Type 1 Diabetic by evilWurst · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, money makes things happen.

      In this case, it won't be the big medical companies pushing it. It'll be insurers, which stand to save tons of money if they can cure diabetics. This overlaps with governments, since most western governments are paying at least some of the medical costs (medicare in the US, much larger programs in Canada and the EU).

      And while the big medical corps may resist losing their cash cow, the companies that make generic drugs will gladly pump out the patent-expired medicines used by this cure.

  4. Re:We see true motivation of the big "IP" players by dtfinch · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Without a patent, drug companies face competition from those who put no money into research, trials, and FDA approval. Whoever pays for the drug research would incur severe losses. We'd depend almost entirely on government funding, academic research, chance, and philanthropy to develop new drugs.

    When it becomes uneconomical to develop a promising drug, usually because it treats too rare of a disease, but sometimes due to other reasons, we call those orphan drugs. Sometimes the government intervenes and finishes the research. Maybe it'll happen this time.

  5. public health care by BortQ · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can understand how this could happen in the US. My question is: Why doesn't she go to Canada or somewhere else where the health care system is publicly funded. Is such countries the economic factors greatly favor a cure, rather then ongoing treatments.

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    1. Re:public health care by psyconaut · · Score: 4, Informative

      Unfortunately, our medicare system is in a bit of a mess right now. Sorting out things like waiting lists for MRIs and non-elective surgery are big priorities.

      Money for pure research projects up here is few and far between (although I'm not saying it's non-existent -- research at hospitals like Sick Kids in Toronto is excellent).

      But, agreed...it'd sure be nice if someone took up the gauntlet and pursued a cure for Type 1 diabetes.

      -psy

  6. Much to early for any conclusion by xplenumx · · Score: 4, Informative

    As an Immunologist - I can't even begin to count the number of times we've cured RA (EAE), GvHD, various forms of cancer, etc. in mice, only to have the 'cure' fail, or even make the disease worse, in patients.

    1. Re:Much to early for any conclusion by Otter · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah, I wish these guys luck, but pre-Phase I is nothing. When they get some efficacy in Phase II trials, it'll be time to start beginning to get excited.

  7. Why expect pharmaceutical companies to pay? by egarland · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Companies are in business to make money. It would be irresponsible for someone at a pharmaceutical company to spend money developing something they couldn't make any money on.

    The medical community isn't working in our best interest alone. Scientists work in areas where the best interest of the individual overlaps with the best interest of their employer. There are times when the best interest of the individual does not match up with the best interest of any company and these areas of medicine are horribly neglected (see blueberries vs Lipitor, oxygen therapy vs blood pressure medication, low carb vs the AHA Diet, First Do No Harm). I'm not saying that the doctors are wrong on all these things, I'm saying nobody is putting in the work to check up on them because there's nobody to pay for it.

    If the only medical research that gets done is privately funded then the only medical advancements that get made will increase the income of medical companies. If that's the case, the cost of medical care can only go up (unless someone is taking someone else's business but that rarely happens)

    I don't think this study is alone. Someone needs to fund this stuff or we'll all be taking out second mortgages because the medical community has convinced us we have to or we'll die.

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    1. Re:Why expect pharmaceutical companies to pay? by CptChipJew · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I think most medical research, at least that which is done by university professors really is in the name of bettering mankind.

      And that is the research that the NIH is paying for.

      Historically, the pharmaceuticals though get all of the attention because you don't hear about these drugs until they've decided to market them. It's really a shame.

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  8. Re:We see true motivation of the big "IP" players by Deanasc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yeah but them drug companies are standing on research that was funded by the govt and carried out at public universities. Cox2 enzyme is a prime example of a billion dollar industry handed from a university to the drug companies for free. Not all of those billions the drug companies claim to be spending are actually coming out of their own pockets. They may be finishing the research privately but you can bet you and I paid for the startup costs.

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  9. The article is mixed up. by waterbear · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The article is mixed up. Nobody is shunning islet-cell transplantation for (IDDM) diabetes. Many people in the field believe that the currently most promising procedure is one developed by surgeon James Shapiro in Canada. It is in human patient trials in more than one country already now. A drawback of course (a big one for some who would otherwise be potential patients) is the need for immunosuppressant therapy after the surgical procedure.

    The 'big bad pharmaceutical co' angle is mixed up too. This is a surgical procedure. There is no new pharmaceutical at the centre of it. But if new combinations of immunosuppressants prove specially well adapted to patients who have this procedure, that would quite likely be a new combination of features, and patent protection would likely be available for whatever it turns out to be, anyway.

    -wb-

  10. RTFA by TheLink · · Score: 3, Informative

    Read the article again till the end.

    They found that the treatment/drugs supposed to prepare the mice for transplant actually _cured_ the mice. The treatment was supposed to stop the immune system from blowing away the transplanted islet cells. But after the treatment the islet cells _regrew_ back. So there was no need for a transplant.

    ""No one had cured them," he said. "Here was this treatment that we thought would get them ready for a transplant but - eureka! - the diabetes was cured.""

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    1. Re:RTFA by waterbear · · Score: 4, Informative

      TheLink wrote "Read the article again till the end."

      I suggest reading the literature on the subject as well. It is well known that immune destruction starts off IDDM, but there is no evidence -- including regard to what is reported in the article -- that immune suppression revives beta-cells in patients who have none left. I.e. the large majority of humans with IDDM have long since lost all their beta cells to the destructive process that has run its course, and there is no bringing those cells back from the dead.

      And I stick to what I said about the big bad pharma angle being mixed up too. If a drug or combination of drugs has a surprising new effect then patent protection is likely to be available on the usual conditions no matter how much noise to the contrary is made on /. If this is a useful new application of BCG there is no rule nowadays that stops a patent for the new use.

      -wb-

  11. Re:We see true motivation of the big "IP" players by BillyBlaze · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Government research has this crazy idea that companies won't want something unless they can get an exclusive license to it. So they'll halfway develop something, then start looking for companies, then sign licensing deals with the companies. This is the big problem - if the government develops something, than anybody ought to be able to implement it. If nobody has the balls to perfect the product and bring it to market, then that's their problem.

  12. stem cells by gnuman99 · · Score: 2, Insightful
    From article: But if she is correct, scientists will also have to reconsider many claims for embryonic stem cells as a cure for diabetes, and perhaps for other diseases.

    Why? This statement is 100% false. For many diseases and disorders there is more than one method of treatment. For cancer, there is chemotherapy and radioation. Both work. Same thing for diabetes, if one method works, why not another?

    Stem cell research can result in a cure for diabetes. The same thing can be true for Dr. Denise Faustman's treatment.

    I'd have to say NYT either is biased against stem cell research or they just repeat another's bias.

  13. Re:We see true motivation of the big "IP" players by MillionthMonkey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm wondering who moderated you as "Insightful" when your comment proves nothing. Vioxx and Phen-Fen held promise of a huge return on investment during the period they were under development. Those two turned out to fail but a certain percentage of lucrative drugs are expected to fail. This puts them in a different class than drugs which from the very start can be ruled out as showing little promise of a return on investment at all- even though they may be needed to maintain public health.

    There is a reason we have Viagra, Cialis, Levitra, and no flu vaccine.

  14. Legal Pushers and Public Addicts by strangedays · · Score: 3, Insightful
    An unkind cynic might conclude that drug companies and drug pushers are comparable, at least from a simple economic viewpoint.

    I would like to suggest that this opinion of drug companies is, in some ways too generous; Its not their fault, its the economics and laws which we set up to drive pharmaceutical research and profits.

    Similar outcomes different goals?: Illegal Drug dealers induce a dependency by pushing a prohibited substance, targeting any easy mark. Drug companies discover dependecies by hiring "researchers" to find substances which alleviate or "manage" pre-existing common diseases, targeting any sick person.

    These "no-cure" drugs temporarily alleviate the symptoms of the diseases, and even extend the patients life (and thus profits), while, "unfortunately", rarely managing to fundamentally cure anything. When was a drug as useful as penicillin last discovered?

    The really clever people are in marketing, its carefully created to spin the appearance of dedicated people attempting to find cures. I find that laughably naive, clearly the economic pressure precludes that from happening. However, I suspect many of the scientists and 'caring professionals' in the field prefer to believe that comfortable fallacy and self image.

    To me this focus on researching pushable drugs, versus practical cures, is a natural outcome of allowing the humanitarian medical sciences to be solely driven by raw capitalism and simple greed.

    The pharmaceutical companies, will grow wealthier, and the poignant marketing campaigns, and "real soon now cures", will be glossy, slick and convincing, for as long as the hypocrisy continues.

    Note: Where there are funds for any cure oriented research, it will typically be in areas where there is a huge PR payback in company image and good will factors.

    We, the public, are the addicts, we pay the taxes, fund the basic research, and then have to drink their coolaid and swallow the bitter and expensive pills, just so we can feel better... for a while.

    IMHO, there is no cure for this chronic disease of legalized "no-cure" drug pushing, except by radical surgery on the NIH and our health research laws.

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  15. RTRA (read the real article) by drjzzz · · Score: 2, Informative
    Once you've digested the NYT article, have a look at the original research article published in the journal Science. The original paper is linked from the PubMed abstract, which is linked from this (brief) discussion discussion on a slashsite called MedDot.org.

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