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Speakeasy Will Test IEEE 802.16 In Downtown Seattle

An anonymous reader writes "Speakeasy will be testing a WiMax (Worldwide Interoperability for Microwave Access) network in downtown Seattle. If successful, plans to roll out similar networks in other cities will follow."

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  1. Beginning Downtown? by Belsical · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Isn't this the kind of thing you'd want to try out first in rural areas? After all, this should be complementing DSL and Cable modems at first, then replace them eventually, not vice versa.

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    1. Re:Beginning Downtown? by div_2n · · Score: 2, Insightful

      802.11b is supposed to support links less than 1000 feet. We all know that if you buy a 200mw card, get directional antennas and/or big amplifiers that you can make 802.11b do a lot more than that. But you will not get very reliable links without line of sight beyond a few thousand feet.

      WiMAX is slated to get 1 to 3 miles. Perhaps using the same approach involving directionals and amplifiers it would be possible to achieve longer distances, but without line of sight, I wouldn't expect it to go 30+ miles unless you put both end points on 400' towers.

      The laws of physics cannot and will not be broken by any modulation technique due to the fresnel zone. The laws are a bitch and they're here to stay.

  2. $650 for 3Mbps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I don't get it $650 for 3Mbps? Isn't DSL also 3Mbps? What I am missing here? --

  3. Re:Closer and Closer to Real Wireless! by Stradenko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wouldn't you rather say 802.20 phones?

  4. Re:The economics of this? by Wesley+Felter · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you use six sectors per cell, that means 360-420 customers per cell, which is quite a bit. If they have more customers they can always turn down the power and use more, smaller cells.

  5. Re:Only T-1? by IdahoEv · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Even basic 802.11b has more speed than that...


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  6. Re:Free Wireless for All by MoralHazard · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Anonymous access through 802.11 hotspots is already a law-enforcement headache, especially in crowded (sub)urban areas like NYC, Seattle, and No. Virginia. It's too easy to wardrive until you find a nice open access point, do some dirty deeds (dirt cheap!), and be gone within an hour. As long as there are enough of them around to make blanket stakeouts infeasible, there isn't much that law enforcement can do.

    The question of whether wide-area 802.16 access can be anonymous/untraceable will be a HUGE deal. And it depends on a lot of factors. Maybe somebody who knows more about the standard can help me sort this out, too...

    In order to get anonymous access, you can't have a billing relationship with the ISP. This would require that you hijack a legitimate user's connection, or fool the base station into granting you a session without really being authorized.

    1) What kind of security features does the protocol offer? Do they have WPA or something like it, or do they expect encryption and auth to happen at a higher level? Because if traffic isn't strongly protected, I can envision a whole range of piggy-backing tricks to inject traffic into someone else's session, mostly centered around spoofing.

    2) What kind of cheap/hackable client equipment will be available? If the user-premises gear is ISP-owned (likely) and expensive (also likely), it's not going to be easy for the geeks to run down to Fry's and start pulling them apart to make them do neat tricks. WiFi has been so hackable and popular for exactly that reason.

    3) A side effect of having costly, ISP-owned quipment (#2) may be to affect the speed at which security problems get fixed. In my experience, the expensive, telco-like equipment doesn't get as much maintenance attention from vendors (firmware upgrades) as the cheap, million-run devices that are owned by the end users. But I could be wrong about that--any ideas?

    4) Has the working group learned anything from the experiences with 802.11 and its various security issues? Somehow I doubt it, but this might be their big chance to show the world.

  7. Re:Got WiFi? by /dev/trash · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If it's free who's paying? City residents who pay taxes?