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CBLDF Auction with Sim & Gaiman

As most regular readers know, I/we are fans of the CBLDF and the EFF (Contribute to both!) The CBLDF is running a charity auction which is collaboration between Dave Sim of Cerebus fame and Neil Gaiman of Sandman amongst others. There's some good background online as well as the auction itself. The money raised will go to fighting censorship in the graphic arts. I'd also heartily recommend reading Neil's blog and taking Dave Sim up on his offer. His collected form letter are funny, thought provoking and great to read. Oh - and happy birthday, Neil.

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  1. EFF by LegendOfLink · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't forget guys, these are the people who are fighting against the DMCA, the USA PATRIOT ACT, and any other civil liberty limiting crap legislation.

    Good job guys, we love ya all.

  2. Bush reelection affects CBLDF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    [shields: up] The DMCA came during Emperor Clinton's reign.

  3. Strange bedfellows by kallisti · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Isn't Neil Gaiman a member of the Feminist-Homosexualist axis?



    Note: This isn't off topic, really.

    1. Re:Strange bedfellows by Jason+Scott · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Bravo.

      It is very, very difficult to read Dave Sim's work once you've read his Tangents essay. I read it a good while ago, and was, well....

      It's hard to define the feeling. It wasn't horror that someone thought along these lines; and it wasn't a feeling they shouldn't be said. I think the closest I could relate it to is like finding bugs in your morning cereal. What was previously an enjoyable experience is, for the short (and maybe long) term soured and ruined. Maybe you'll forget and heal, and maybe you just can't.

      The most problematic part of Tangents is that it is very in-depth and very long-winded about the thoughts being expressed, which means it specifically appeals to that part of the population who are into reading, which means that these good folks are the ones who will be slapped around for their efforts. I can't imagine anyone reading his Tangents essay and pumping their fist going "Yes! Yes! He finally makes it all clear for me!"

      For those whom intense reading of a long essay set is simply not in the forseeable future, here's an (admittedly coarse) summary of the essay.


      PRE-TANGENT: My female typesetter quit putting together this essay for my comic book. This is typical of chicks and an example of why feminism is a failure.

      TANGENT 1: While researching for my comic book, I interviewed a lot of women. There is no "there" there in them. They are, essentially, sub-human, emotional creatures. They do not think. Any positive qualities they show are what they're parroting from males. There has been a lot of gnashing of teeth by society to ignore this obvious fact, but a fact it is: women are, ultimately, parasites on males.

      TANGENT 2: The queers and the feminists are trying to shove acceptability of their false and wrong philosophies down society's throat. They are doing it everywhere, in laws, media, and even in the bible.

      TANGENT 3: Because of the false belief that women are human, a lot of very dumb laws are being passed, which treat children like adults and adults like children. This is going to cause a lot of problems for society and possibly ruin it for good. Children should be beaten when they're bad, and alimony comes from the idea that women can't survive on their own. Any variant from these statements are being caused by women imparting their illogical, brainless take on the world on males.

      TANGENT 4: Domestic Cats are filthy, horrible animals that should not be in a home. That they are there is because, at some point in history, women brought them into the house. Also, animal rights are stupid.

      TANGENT 5: The Civil Rights movement was hijacked by feminists, who then killed Martin Luther King, Jr. And now the feminists define civil rights.
      ...

      It's perfectly OK to not believe this is what the essay says. Read the original source.

      They're bugs in my breakfast. I'm sure I'll be buying his books in the future. Just not the near future.

    2. Re:Strange bedfellows by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "There has been a lot of gnashing of teeth by society to ignore this obvious fact, but a fact it is: women are, ultimately, parasites on males.

      I think it's quite the other way round. Males clearly parasite the female species.

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      Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.
      -- Pablo Picasso
  4. Re:CBLDF? by Sabaki · · Score: 2

    It's actually out there doing some really important work, raising money to defend against various attempts to shut down the comics industry.

    There's a whole lot more to comics than just the superhero genre. There's a lot of adult-themed stuff (not neccessarily adult in the sense of porn) that is under attack from ignorant officials who assume that not only are comics only for kids, but that they shouldn't be used to write material adults might want to read. (Even if that material is not put where a kid might find it.)

    The CBLDF is not a joke, it's out there on the front lines fighting for important liberties promised to us all by the First Amendment.

  5. Re:CBLDF? by kallisti · · Score: 4, Informative
    The comic book business has to deal with some of the worst censorships that exist today. Check out Mike Diana who for writing an admittedly crass comic was sentenced to:

    three-year probation, during which time his residence is subject to inspection, without warning or warrant, to determine if he is in possession of, or is creating obscene material. He is to have no contact with children under 18, undergo psychological testing, enroll in a journalistic ethics course, pay a $3,000 fine, and perform 1,248 hours of community service
    .
    There are others, but this really stands out. Comics have been targeted for decades, Google for Frederick Wertham and see what happened to EC Comics in the 50's.
  6. Re:CBLDF? by geoffspear · · Score: 3, Funny
    Yeah, and they're forcing everyone to buy their comics and read them too.

    Next these "activist lawyers" will want it to be legal to put Saving Private Ryan in the same video store with the Garfield movie.

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    Don't blame me; I'm never given mod points.
  7. Re:CBLDF? by honestmonkey · · Score: 5, Informative

    One of the cases I'm familiar with because it's a comic book shop I occasionally shop at. Ketih's Comics in Dallas, TX. One of the employee's was convicted of selling an adult comic to an adult. The adult books were kept in a separate section of the store, and children were NOT allowed in that section. Still, a concerned mother (read "fundamentalist wack" -- oops, I mean faithful churchgoer) complained, and an undercover cop (I think he was a sherrif's deputy?) went in and - Gasp! - was allowed to buy and adult book (some Manga title).

    It is unfortunate perhaps, that the CBLDF needs to spend too much time defending people that sell or produce pornography. But Freedom of Speech means just that. They have had a case were the artist was forbidden to even draw anything, even for personal use!, and a case where a parody of the Starbucks symbol was attacked by Starbucks.

    I believe I have a right to read whatever the heck I want, and that artists and authors have the right to produce whatever the heck they want. That's why I give to the CBLDF every year, and have since they were started.

    On a related note, some ABC stations have decided not to air the unedited "Saving Private Ryan", to avoid complaints about obsenity. Even though this has already been on network TV unedited! Just fucking amazing. Damn Janet's boobs, damn them to hell!

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  8. Re:CBLDF? by Pxtl · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, they're defending the right to print it and sell it - not saying where it has to be sold.

    Keep in mind that in the '80s the comic book industry had the most horrible volunteer-cencorship system. Basically, anything other than traditional super-hero comics and childrens comics was banned from stores. While keeping extreme subject matter out of children's reach is a valid concern, what of a graphic and literary art form? And after all - you can buy Playboy at the magazine rack, so why not Heavy Metal?

  9. Re:CBLDF? by jd · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I believe it was in England that the comic "Oz" was banned and several artists sent to jail. For the crime of drawing an anatomically-correct Winnie the Pooh.


    On the one hand, I have very little sympathy for those who churn out turgid pulp for the express purpose of ripping off those brainless enough to buy a product on shock value, rather than by whether they actually want the thing. However, I'd argue that most of the problem lies in how stupid consumers are encouraged to be, particularly by the educational system, so fixing the stupidity seems a more worthy aim than fixing the comics.


    Take care of the root causes, and the symptoms will take care of themselves.


    On the other hand, I do not believe that censorship is a useful mechanism. It engenders a lot of hostility, it creates a social pressure point of non-conformance, and it is generally self-destructive.


    Again, though, if you tackled the underlying causes for the stuff you don't like, then those things that have no useful purpose will simply go of their own accord. If you tackle only the issues that are visible, then the underlying issues never get resolved, and the impact will simply mutate.


    If you are in a house, and the foundations collapse, re-painting the kitchen isn't going to help. It'll conceal the cracks in the walls, but the house will still fall down.


    To me, censorship of the comics is neither a problem nor a solution. Nor are the so-called "adult" comics. Both are simply different parts of society venting in different ways. Blocking one side from venting at all will simply build up pressure, leading to an explosion. Doesn't matter which side you block. If you had to block one side, though, I'd say blocking the censors is likely the better choice.


    The best solution of all is to dig deeper and reduce or remove those stresses that create the problems in the first place. You'll never fix them all, but at the moment, nobody is doing much to fix any of them at all.

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    It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
  10. Andy Rilstone says... by Grendel+Drago · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Andrew Rilstone, who's a hell of a lot smarter than me, wrote a number of essays about this, which are frickin' brilliant.

    Cerebus the Aardvark: An Obituary
    Cerebus the Aardvark: An Obituary (2)
    Is Dave Sim Mad?
    Is Dave Sim Mad? (Update)
    Does Dave Sim Have Occasional Moments of Lucidity?

    The first one, I think, says what you mean by bugs in your breakfast: The text piece in Cerebus # 226 made me feel physically unwell; made me feel as if I'd been kicked in the stomach; actually spoiled my whole afternoon. When the drunken John Lennon beat up a waitress, she is reported as having said 'What really hurts is finding out that your idol is a complete asshole.'

    I haven't reached the part of the series when Sim goes mad yet. I suppose it'll be... enlightening. (I finished "Jaka's Story" recently, and am scouting for "Melmoth".)

    --grendel drago

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    Laws do not persuade just because they threaten. --Seneca