Posted by
timothy
on from the sane-versioning-system-is-a-plus dept.
Dreadlord writes "Gentoo has released 2004.3 for x86, amd64, hppa, ppc, sparc, and an initial release for ppc64. You can read the information page, the changelog, or go straight to the mirrors, or better yet, the torrents."
Why announce new Gentoo releases??
by
riprjak
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Since I could install from 1.2 and after my emerge sync emerge world at the end would be as up to date as someone who used 2004.3.
Gentoo linux simply does not, now or ever, warrant release notification. It is released and will remain so; up to date today, regardless. This is why I choose it...
However, release announces are no better that SCO stories, redundant and old news.
just my $0.02.
err! jak
Re:Why announce new Gentoo releases??
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MooseGuy529
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Gentoo does warrant release notifications.
The older your LiveCD gets, the older its packages are and the more stuff needs to be recompiled for the final system. An older version also has worse hardware compatibility. Lastly, for people who use binary packages, an out-of-date install CD makes binary packages worthless, as you have to compile new versions of most packages.
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Icon?
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Anonymous Coward
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Slashdot Editors,
Since every other Linux distribution under the sun has their own Slashdot icon, how about providing one for Gentoo as well?
Thanks.
Re:Just stressing..
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Anonymous Coward
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The point of BitTorrent is that people who have finished d/ling will leave the BT client open and help out others who still need some of the file.
How many people would be willing to leave the installer running for a few extra hours to help out the torrent? I doubt very many.
Why all this hate? D:
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talornin
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I wonder why so many non-gentoo user goes out of their way to flame gentoo because you have to compile everything from source. If you dont like it, dont use it. I like it, I use it. This is almost like Linux VS BSD:(
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Re:Why all this hate? D:
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NerveGas
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Newbies to Linux are almost *always* confused. Sad, but true. At least in my dealings with family, friends, coworkers, and faceless persons online, that's what I've seen.
Not that it's unique to Linux, it happens with newbies to most all operating systems.
steve
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Re:Why all this hate? D:
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Anonymous Coward
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What is the flexibility? Where is it?
Most Gentoo users I've talked to (or heard from:) just compile a default install, and very few bother to create their own custom filesystem layout, or anything that would showcase the "flexibility" of Gentoo.
Many of them say "I get to install exactly what I want." So do I, and so does every other Linux user.
Don't even get me started on the belief that everything must be processor optimized!!! What if you want to move the system to a different CPU type? It will either not run, or will run worse with CPU-specific optimizations than it would with generic i386 opts.
It's not that I hate Gentoo. I've just come into contact with far too many trendy and brash Gentoo users as of late:)
Gentoo - too much time to commit
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Magickcat
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Gentoo's too damn time consuming for my tastes.
I like the fact that you have so much control over your installation, and the fact that you can compile for your own system easily is also very attractive features, but the trade off is how much time do you want to spend on Linux choosing and customising when there's a real world going on outside? In my case, the real world wins out.
Perhaps it's a bit like people who build cars by hand - not for every driver on the road, but a good hobby for some.
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Re:Gentoo - too much time to commit
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TheLittleJetson
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i think gentoo is sort of an investment. even for someone who knows the system well, doing the install is a pain in the ass. however, once everything's set up, i find it very easy to maintain. it really is just like no effort to keep it all up to date and such. emerge --sync && emerge -u world && etc-update and come back later to finish things up. do this maybe once a week and you're chill.
portage has roughly a gajillion packages which is also good for lazy people (emerge CoolProgram beats going in search of CoolProgram, downloading and compiling it)
Can people stoping saying
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Anonymous Coward
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Gentoo is faster than the other distros, yes it is in many cases, but in many others it is not.
This myth that gentoo is some kind of speed demon is just stupid, it's about as fast as all the others give and take etc. etc.
The real benefit of gentoo is in that it teaches people how to put together a gentoo system, it's a learning experience of a sort.
But fanboys who trick noobs into using it for the speed shouldn't do so, it's not.
And also fanboys who try to claim that a hand built distro like that should be used in PRODUCTION servers (I believe there is a company set up by gentoo users to peddle this idea) is just insance.
The WHOLE point of a production server is that it has been tested THOUSANDS of times in a given configuration. Production has always meant, and always will mean a trade-off between the latest and stability.
To try and claim that you can run your server with some loopy custom compilations and expect to be able to get support for it is just ridiculous. The extra money spent on getting all this hand-craftednes should just be spent on a beefier server.
And as gentoo doesn't actually offer a definitive speed-gain, just spending $30 to get to the next CPU catergory up with 5% more performance will decimate any speed advantage created by the gentoo system optimizations.
please, stop the astro turfing, gentoo is great from a system design perspective, customisation and learning about linux. But it is not, and cannot (nothing can) be ALL pros and no cons. Be suspicious of any fanboy who says so because making those claims about ANY distro is just peddling snake-oil.
Re:Can people stoping saying
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Anonymous Coward
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And also fanboys who try to claim that a hand built distro like that should be used in PRODUCTION servers
Yea cos as every admin knows you need to use a distro that breaks when you upgrade glibc on production servers.
The benefit to gentoo is the packaging system, not the compiling optimisations.
And btw, you'll find most heavily loaded servers will compile their software with particular optimisations anyway.
Nice rant though:p
Re:Can people stoping saying
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A+beautiful+mind
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Well, its really dependant on a person's view. If you would rather trust a ms windows xp as a server, just because its tested worldwide, and dump the FreeBSD/OpenBSD/Gentoo server which has custom stuff isp stuff in many cases "make their system unstable with", like scripts, performance-patched daemons, etc. I'm sorry, but if you need support for your production server, well, then you shouldn't be admining it in the first place (ok, don't count some extreme cases).
Btw, im not saying gentoo is perfect. Its just very good.
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Since I could install from 1.2 and after my emerge sync emerge world at the end would be as up to date as someone who used 2004.3.
Gentoo linux simply does not, now or ever, warrant release notification. It is released and will remain so; up to date today, regardless. This is why I choose it...
However, release announces are no better that SCO stories, redundant and old news.
just my $0.02.
err!
jak
Slashdot Editors,
Since every other Linux distribution under the sun has their own Slashdot icon, how about providing one for Gentoo as well?
Thanks.
The point of BitTorrent is that people who have finished d/ling will leave the BT client open and help out others who still need some of the file.
How many people would be willing to leave the installer running for a few extra hours to help out the torrent? I doubt very many.
I wonder why so many non-gentoo user goes out of their way to flame gentoo because you have to compile everything from source. If you dont like it, dont use it. I like it, I use it. This is almost like Linux VS BSD :(
When in danger, whewn in doubt! Run in circles, scream and shout!
Gentoo's too damn time consuming for my tastes.
I like the fact that you have so much control over your installation, and the fact that you can compile for your own system easily is also very attractive features, but the trade off is how much time do you want to spend on Linux choosing and customising when there's a real world going on outside? In my case, the real world wins out.
Perhaps it's a bit like people who build cars by hand - not for every driver on the road, but a good hobby for some.
Si tacuisses philosophus mansisses. If you had kept quiet, you would have remained a philosopher.
Gentoo is faster than the other distros, yes it is in many cases, but in many others it is not.
This myth that gentoo is some kind of speed demon is just stupid, it's about as fast as all the others give and take etc. etc.
The real benefit of gentoo is in that it teaches people how to put together a gentoo system, it's a learning experience of a sort.
But fanboys who trick noobs into using it for the speed shouldn't do so, it's not.
And also fanboys who try to claim that a hand built distro like that should be used in PRODUCTION servers (I believe there is a company set up by gentoo users to peddle this idea) is just insance.
The WHOLE point of a production server is that it has been tested THOUSANDS of times in a given configuration. Production has always meant, and always will mean a trade-off between the latest and stability.
To try and claim that you can run your server with some loopy custom compilations and expect to be able to get support for it is just ridiculous. The extra money spent on getting all this hand-craftednes should just be spent on a beefier server.
And as gentoo doesn't actually offer a definitive speed-gain, just spending $30 to get to the next CPU catergory up with 5% more performance will decimate any speed advantage created by the gentoo system optimizations.
please, stop the astro turfing, gentoo is great from a system design perspective, customisation and learning about linux. But it is not, and cannot (nothing can) be ALL pros and no cons. Be suspicious of any fanboy who says so because making those claims about ANY distro is just peddling snake-oil.
An installer? WTF? I'll have to change distros if it gets too easy!
Karma: It's all a bunch of tree-huggin' hippy crap!
A while ago, they were distributing beta glibc's that rumouredly broke a lot of programs.
Did they finally got around to fix that?