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RFID Labels On Prescription Drug Bottles

sonik1 writes "The New York Times is reporting that the Food and Drug Administration and several major drug makers are expected to announce an agreement Monday to put tiny radio antennas on the labels of millions of medicine bottles to combat counterfeiting and fraud. RFID labels provide a unique identifier that is almost impossible to copy. When pharmacists receive delivery, they should be able to pass a wand over the bottles and, through an online database, check the history of each. Each label costs 20 to 50 cents."

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  1. Paranoia fueling higher costs, yay! by garcia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Initially, the expense of the system will be considerable. Each label costs 20 to 50 cents. The readers and scanners cost thousands of dollars. But because the medicines tend to be very expensive and the need to ensure their authenticity is great, officials said, the expense is justified.

    As if my three prescription drugs don't cost enough already (and my co-pays continue to increase) I am going to have to subsidize a possible invasion of my privacy as well? Are they going to insure that before I leave that pharmacy counter that the tag's information will be wiped?

    I certainly don't want to be heading towards the door with Oxy and have some hi-tech thief scan me and follow me home to rob me of the drugs I just purchased... Perhaps even someone could scan important/famous people and either blackmail them for their drug purchases (HIV/STDs) or just blatantly report it to the Fish Wrappers for cash.

    Costs are still far too high for individual consumer goods, like the amber bottles that pharmacies use to dispense pills to individuals. But prices are expected to plunge once radio labels become popular, so drug makers represent an important set of early adopters.

    Once it does become viable for individual consumer bottles there will be yet another excuse why the prices need to continue to go up. Everything needs to cost more especially in the pharmaceutical industry. I swear everyone is in on it. I am told I need three low dose drugs when I have a feeling that a higher dose of another would handle it just fine. I am told that I am being prescribed these particular drugs because my coverage is good enough to afford it... It all leads to more money for everyone.

    This still doesn't stop someone from switching the drugs once they arrive at the pharmacy.

    Counterfeit drugs are still comparatively rare in the United States, but federal officials say the problem is growing. Throughout the 1990's, the F.D.A. pursued about five cases of counterfeit drugs every year. In each of the last several years, the number of cases has averaged about 20, but law-enforcement officials say that figure does not reflect the extent of the problem.

    Then WTF are we doing this? 20 cases of counterfeit drugs yet we have to spend thousands and thousands and pass that on to the consumer. Ugh. Yeah, they are going to say that we need to protect against a possible outbreak of this. Personally, I don't see how a label can help when the medicine inside is what is important. Anyone can swap out the real meds inside for their counterfeit ones.

    1. Re:Paranoia fueling higher costs, yay! by danheskett · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I certainly don't want to be heading towards the door with Oxy and have some hi-tech thief scan me and follow me home to rob me of the drugs I just purchased... Perhaps even someone could scan important/famous people and either blackmail them for their drug purchases (HIV/STDs) or just blatantly report it to the Fish Wrappers for cash.
      This presumes that the thief would have access to the database of reference. The tag only contains a Unique ID, therefore, without the reference, the ID is useless. You or the famous person are at the type of risk you describe already if an untrustworthy person has access to your medical records or pharmacy records.

      Once it does become viable for individual consumer bottles there will be yet another excuse why the prices need to continue to go up. Everything needs to cost more especially in the pharmaceutical industry. I swear everyone is in on it. I am told I need three low dose drugs when I have a feeling that a higher dose of another would handle it just fine. I am told that I am being prescribed these particular drugs because my coverage is good enough to afford it... It all leads to more money for everyone.
      True. It is a corrupt system. But, on the other hand, millions of surgeries are avoided and lives preserved by the drugs every year.

      Then WTF are we doing this? 20 cases of counterfeit drugs yet we have to spend thousands and thousands and pass that on to the consumer. Ugh. Yeah, they are going to say that we need to protect against a possible outbreak of this. Personally, I don't see how a label can help when the medicine inside is what is important. Anyone can swap out the real meds inside for their counterfeit ones.
      The drugs that are reiceved are not usually in ready-to-distribute packages. The pharmacist takes from the big bottle and puts into your bottle. This is more dealing with the bottles that the pharmacist recieves. These are generally heavily tamper-resistant, especially for more dangerous drugs.

    2. Re:Paranoia fueling higher costs, yay! by will_die · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Try reading the article.
      For the time being they are only doing this on the large bottles that pharamacies get and then split up to form the indiv amounts.
      Besides thier are easier ways to find you have drugs then scanning you as you leave a drug store. if you are really so scared take your aluminum hat off and wrap the drugs in it.

    3. Re:Paranoia fueling higher costs, yay! by Ender_Stonebender · · Score: 4, Informative

      You need more coffee, man - your brain hasn't started to function yet.

      Even from the summary, it was obvious that these RFID tags are NOT going to be on the bottles you're carrying home. They're going to be on the bottles of prescription drugs that the pharmacies receive and will be used to authenticate that the drugs were not replaced during shipment. You'll still get the same amber bottle you've always gotten to carry your drugs home in.

      Your last couple of points, however, are totally valid. Unless opening the bottles destroys the RFID tag, there's no way to tell that the drugs inside the bottles haven't been replaced. And 20 cases per year? Given the huge number of prescriptions filled in the US per year, 20 cases of counterfeit drugs is so miniscule that the problem is essentially non-existent.

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    4. Re:Paranoia fueling higher costs, yay! by Trailer+Trash · · Score: 4, Funny

      if you are really so scared take your aluminum hat off and wrap the drugs in it.

      Tinfoil, dude, apparently why yours isn't working...

    5. Re:Paranoia fueling higher costs, yay! by mr.+methane · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think it's actually the opposite - the commercial-size shipments of medications don't tend to have tamper-resistant caps and other features. What this allows is quick checking of shipments, so they know immediately that there's 600 units of some medication in the crate, and the computer can start auto-dialing people who are waiting to have prescriptions filled.

      Considering that it might save a pharmacist even a few minutes per day, it more than pays for itself immediately.

      As usual, it also should cause a nice bump in the sale of tin-foil hats for the black helicopter crowd.

  2. Impossible to copy? by Devar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    RFID labels provide a unique identifier that is almost impossible to copy.

    Really?

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  3. What does this have to do with my rights online? by Chess_the_cat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why does it seem that RFID stories are automatically posted under My Rights Online?

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  4. Humm by Ambient_Developer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So now they can tell which stuff came from canada, ingenious!

  5. The Label is on the pharmacy bottles by THESuperShawn · · Score: 5, Informative

    NOT the little brown bottles you bring home.

    This will save you MORE than money.This will potentially save you (or your family members) lives as it prevents fake drugs- or at least makes them a lot harder to produce.

    The number of fake pills out there is staggering. This is actually a 'good' implementation of RFID.

    The only thing this has to do with the little brown bottle you bring home is that it may vist a few cents more (the tag costs like 20 cents, the tagged bottle may fill 10-50 prescriptions). The benefit is that you can be pretty darn sure tha medicine you get is legit.

    I think it's worth it.

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    1. Re:The Label is on the pharmacy bottles by calibanDNS · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ok, here's another look at it. I'm not saying that you're wrong, and I hope that you aren't, but I just don't trust large corporations to not screw us over.

      Let's say it's $0.20/large bottle to tag and each large bottle on average fills 20 perscriptions. That SHOULD only raise the price about $0.01/perscription. Which is barely noticable.

      Now add in the cost of the RFID reader. I don't know how expensive these things are, but I'm sure they're more than a couple of dollars. Now install at least one reader in each pharmacy. Now train each pharmacy tech to use the equipment. See how fast the costs can increase? Companies will most likely want to make up for these costs ASAP, so they'll increase prices immediately instead of trying to spread the costs over a year with only slightly higher prices. Once the insurance companies are paying these prices, the pharmacies have no incentive to lower the prices (citing continued maintenence and training costs). This, of course, causes insurance premiums to go up and we won't even talk about what happens to the uninsured.

  6. Re:In the Money by will_die · · Score: 4, Informative

    For the time being it is only going on the large bottles that percriptions are filled from. You will probably not see any increase unless you are purchasing a multiple year usage of viagra.

  7. RFID is a GOOD thing... by lavaforge · · Score: 4, Informative


    Or at least it is in this case.

    I recently co-oped at a large pharmaceutical company and it honestly looks like RFID is a good idea here.

    Counterfeit drugs are a serious problem. There are several large counterfeiting operations working out of areas like China that produce product that is so authentic looking that most people (even doctors) can't tell the difference. The only problem is that nobody has any idea as to whether the dosages are correct or if the product was manufactured under sterile conditions. There have already been a few deaths.

    I've read quite a few people complaining about how RFID is going to jack up the cost of prescriptions, but I would willingly pay %0.50-$1.00 to guarantee that I'm actually taking what I think I'm taking.

    It's your life, though. Feel free to gamble with it if you must.

  8. Don't you know the party line by now? by imaginate · · Score: 5, Funny

    This will SAVE consumers money, of course!

    By preventing fraud (and cheaper imports), the pharmaceutical companies will protect their investment, which will naturally lead to LOWER COSTS! It's a win/win situation!!!

    You, the consumer, should embrace this, just as you should embrace DRM, because when companies don't have to enforce their IP, they pass those savings on to YOU!

    Hey, that sh!t's worked before...

  9. this is getting ridiculous by compro01 · · Score: 5, Informative

    RFID tags have a VERY limited range. a few feet at most. to scan someone, you would have to be nearly touching them. you couldn't wardrive for narcotics, like one poster mentioned.

    the tags are only on the large bottles that pharmicies get. the kind that has about 1000 or so pills in it. that is about 33 perscripions. so $0.50/33= $0.0001.

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  10. Re:FCC to install 'steal me' RFIDs by Kombat · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Nice troll. What the heck, I'll bite.

    1. RTFA. The RFIDs are on the bulk packaging received at the pharmacy, they are not on the small containers doled out to the customers.

    2. Why would a junkie, desperate for his next hit, be driving around in a vehicle, with expensive remote-RFID sensing equipment, looking for prescription drugs? Why wouldn't he just sell the laptop/van and buy the heroin he wants?

    3. Where would this highly-sophisticated, highly-educated, well-equipped drug addict get a copy of the confidential RFID tag database that he would need in order to make the connection that ID # 8736704385748932 is Penicillin? And if he is capable of hacking (oops, sorry, I mean "cracking") into Pfizer's mainframe and stealing databases, why wouldn't he instead just steal a credit card database?

    4. When did anyone invent an RFID reader capable of reading passive RFID tags at a range greater than 3 yards, let alone the 75 feet from the street to your medicine cabinet?

    5. Why wouldn't the junkie just skulk around a rich neighborhood, pick a big, dark house that looks empty, with no security alarm stickers in the window, break in, steal the jewelry, and pawn it for drugs? Why go through all the trouble/hassle of war-driving, reading a bunch of RFID tags for foot cremes, when the cheap, classic, time-tested methods still work just fine?

    In what world do drug addicts have the intelligence, financial means, and patience to do the ridiculous things you suggest?

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  11. Re:FCC to install 'steal me' RFIDs by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have a feeling that the junkies wouldn't be doing this themselves. The underground distributers would be the ones getting the drugs via the tags. The junkies would just buy the end product much later from a street dealer flunkie.

  12. Counterfeit drugs are a BIG problem! by Phronesis · · Score: 4, Informative
    20 cases of counterfeit drugs yet we have to spend thousands and thousands and pass that on to the consumer.

    According to a story in the Washington Post, the scale of the problem is much larger than "20 cases" might sound like. Each of these cases may involve tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of doses of counterfeit drugs, many of which are resold back to the major pharma companies, so your local drug store can't tell that they came from a shady middleman rather than directly from Merck's factories.

    Phony medicines have surfaced in pharmacies from Florida to Hawaii, including tens of thousands of doses discovered in warehouses of the Big Three wholesalers.

    Last summer, nearly 200,000 tablets of Lipitor, the world's best-selling cholesterol-lowering medication, was found to be counterfeit and recalled by a small Missouri wholesaler. Some of the pills had already reached Rite Aid and CVS pharmacies.

    Part of the problem is that
    It can be harder to become licensed as a beautician than as a pharmaceutical distributor. With a $700 permit fee and a $200 bond, a pair of Florida manicurists got a license to sell intravenous drugs. An auto body shop owner in Miami got a license to sell drugs in Maryland. Nevada awarded a license to a 23-year-old former restaurant hostess to operate an Internet pharmacy that specialized in narcotics.
    Even worse,
    Florida gave licenses to at least a half-dozen felons, records show. Two states -- Georgia and Tennessee -- gave a wholesaler license to James R. Suozzo of Fort Lauderdale, Fla., a convicted cocaine user with a long history of heroin abuse, investigative records show. Suozzo's background surfaced when he was arrested in February on suspicion of attempting to sell adulterated Procrit, Epogen and Neupogen to another small wholesaler.
  13. Re:In the Money by BreadMan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The expensive part when shipping scheduled drugs is having a pharmacist on hand to monitor the delivery. Before shipping scheduled drugs, a pharmacist must seal and sign off the shipment container and only a pharmacist can break the seal at delivery and count the drugs before they're locked away in inventory. Pharmacist labor is very expenisve ($50 - $70/hour) so being able to account for the contents of a sealed box would result in big cost savings.

    >> This will still not prevent the pharmacist from "diluting" the drug
    Tampering with a drug in this way would result the removal of your pharmacy license in a NY second. For injectable drugs, the pharmacy keeps very careful logs to prove how much medicine goes into each IV bag: who calculated the dose and how, who checked the calculations, who filled the order, who checked the order before filling (different than the person who does the filling) and who checked the bag before it went out. The system exists to minimize the possibility for error, an incorrect chemo dose could kill somebody. Besides, you couldn't get insurance for your pharmacy unless you kept these records.