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Wilco on P2P, Digital Music and the Internet

Saint Aardvark writes "As if Wilco wasn't the coolest band in existence anyway, Wired has an interview with them about their relationship with P2P, the Internet, and their fans. For example, they were contacted by fans who'd downloaded A Ghost Is Born before it was released. Lead singer Jeff Tweedy explains, 'They wanted to send money to express solidarity with the fact that we'd embraced the downloading community. We couldn't take the money ourselves, so they asked if we could pick a charity instead -- we pointed them to Doctors Without Borders, and they ended up receiving about $15,000.' Many other choice quotes make this a fascinating read."

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  1. Anyone else see 'em at the Orpheum... by Saint+Aardvark · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...in Vancouver on the 9th? God almighty, they were great. I'd never realized it before, but Jeff Tweedy has a wicked sense of humour. If they're nearby, treat yourself and go -- it'll be a long, long time before you see another live act this great.

    1. Re:Anyone else see 'em at the Orpheum... by (54)T-Dub · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I did hear an interesting piece on npr talking about the 'Numbers Stations' phenomena. Appearently they got the name for their albumn "Yankee Hotel Foxtrot" from a CD compliation of these number stations.

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  2. Lost Sales? by fembots · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Selling entertainment is like selling perishable fruit, you need to do it while it's still fresh and desirable.

    For example, I quite like Scissor Sisters' "Take Your Mama", so I paid for the CD and listened to it. But I must admit you can only listen to one song for so many times until you're sick of it. So now the enjoyment from this song is long gone, but I have already paid $20 for this now-known-as piece of plastic and song that I no longer enjoy.

    I believe any potential "lost sales" are from people who, on one hand, don't want to pay for the music, but on the other, want to enjoy that particular music.

    Will this be considered "Lost Sales" if someone told you:
    "Nah, this shitty movie is only worth watching it once, why would I pay for the DVD/Movie?".

    This person could pay for the DVD/Movie and watch it once, or download it from the Internet and watch it once. Either way this person got one unit of enjoyment out of this, but it's not quite the same to capitalist.

  3. playing a little devil's advocate... by jxyama · · Score: 2, Interesting
    while this is very nice, does this make "traditional" musicians "evil"? are volunteers always better than those who charge for their services? could majority of contributors to OSS afford to do so if they had no external income to support their "hobbies"?

    don't we all have to make money somewhere to live and could we "fault" those wanting to? if you can make a living via hobbies, more power to them... but is it wrong to make a living?

    1. Re:playing a little devil's advocate... by garcia · · Score: 2, Interesting

      while this is very nice, does this make "traditional" musicians "evil"? are volunteers always better than those who charge for their services? could majority of contributors to OSS afford to do so if they had no external income to support their "hobbies"?

      They are mainstream artists getting mainstream play, mainstream press, and apparently making mainstream money yet they just seem to have the attitude of "woah, cool" instead of "woah, not enough money made".

      Well, to me, that makes the "traditional musicians" money hungry fucktards. Obviously, if your music is good and you are willing to work with the fans they are willing to work w/you back. You think I am going to feed money to some jackass that fights with their fans who are only interested in listening to the music? Nope.

      It's obvious that you CAN and WILL make money even if you support free distribution, GASP, what a novel idea.

      Sadly, some refuse to believe that and continue to attract shit fans, make shit music, and pretty much end up as a stain on the wall of the memory of everyone (Spears has been married twice, annuled once, and may be pregnant with "Aurora" -- your fading away into irrelevance).

      The Grateful Dead never made ANY money allowing the free trading of their music, nope, no way. Neither did Phish or DMB. Nope. Oh wait they even have LOYAL fans! Crazy.

    2. Re:playing a little devil's advocate... by celeritas_2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You know there was a time that art wasn't about money. Google gives everything away and they still happen to be making just a little bit of money. And, I don't recall there being a similarity between "making a living" and having more money than most small African nations. There are still such things as concerts [impossible to reproduce experience, not piratable] which I would be willing to pay for.

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  4. yup by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    "yankee hotel foxtrot" is a sound bit sampled from one of the recordings on the conet project. they sampled it in their song "poor places" and recently just settled a law suit for it.

  5. Wilco by blackmonday · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Thing is, Yankee Hotel Foxtrot is such an amazing album, that even if the album hadn't been released online, I still think it would have been succesful. (I'm for it though!) Great music spreads by word of mouth and CD-R and P2P, regardless of who made it. My buddy made me a copy of YHF and that's how I got into that band.

    By the way there's a great documentary of the band making the CD, its called I am Trying To Break Your Heart. I highly recommend it. Shows the whole process of being dumped by your label then getting picked up by another label, both of whom were owned by the same umbrella company. Strange stuff, today's music business.

    Wilco's ethics are very punk rock, even if their music belongs on its own planet. If you haven't heard YHF, do yourself a favor and pick it up.

  6. Article's on fark.com too by EZmagz · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Just got done reading the interview, and it's nice to see that some musicians are still pretty grounded and down to earth. By far my favorite quote in the article is this:
    WN: Your critics might say that it's easy for you to say that, given that you're already a commercial success.

    Tweedy: I'm grateful that I've sold enough to have a house, take care of my kids and live decently. But that's a gift, not an entitlement.

    Those last three words blew me away. Although I'm not a huge Wilco fan, I definitely appreciate where they're coming from. To me at least, they embody what a True Musician consists of. Somebody who plays music for the sake of making music. Somebody who if they make enough money playing at clubs and hawking CDs to make a living, then GREAT! But if not, they'll still be playing on the weekends and at nights when they're done with their 9-to-5.

    Now contrast that with Britney Spears or Ashley Simpson. Think they'd be singing in their garage if their "music" career never took off? Fuck no. Since they only care about entertaining and not making music, they'd probably be just another coked-out stripper on the LA Strip, telling you how they're going to make it big and be somebody between lapdances and serving you a $10 cocktail.

    Regardless, it's glad to know there's still a few bands out there who are in it for the love.

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  7. Good chance to put your money where your mouth is by serutan · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When I read this article (on Fark, yesterday), I immediately went to Wilco's site and ordered a copy of their CD "A Ghost is Born," and if they swing through Seattle I will take in their show. Band promotion through free downloads instead of record contracts is the future of music, and is the key to getting the record industry off our backs before they buy enough legislation to keep us from accessing our hard drives without their permission.

    Fame and fortune have been the carrot on the stick which the record industry has been able to dangle in front of musicians for the past century. When a few bands demonstrate that it's possible to succeed without signing over their lives to a big label, others will follow. Reaching #8 on Billboard is one of the first cracks in this wall. Help it spread!

  8. Its good someone gets it by CrazyJim1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Eventually all our media with be categorized by user for download, and you can see/hear/learn things that interest you.
    Its a global library and it will happen.

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    www.geocities.com/James_Sager_PA

  9. Re:Watch out by Hatta · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I would bet that any other taper friendly band would not care about p2p or whatever, because, again, these bands work for a living, and they know they will make money when they are working.

    I could fucking care less if everybody downloads our album off the Internet. We're not in a position to be screwed by that at all. We have the one thing the Internet can't touch-live music. If you can actually go out and play your fucking instruments, you won't be replaced by the Internet. If you're a good live act and you put on a good show, people will buy a ticket to see your show.
    -Jon Fishman.
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