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New Atomic Clock 1000 Times More Accurate

stevelinton writes "The UK National Physical Laboratory has a new atomic clock potentially 1000 times more accurate than current cesium clocks: to within 1 second in about 30 billion years! This could lead quite soon to a new definition of the second, and in a while to improved resolution in GPS successor systems. More interestingly, there are theories that some of the universe's fundamental dimensionless constants may have changed by a parts in a million over the last 10 billion years or so. These clocks are so accurate that they should be able to detect these changes over a year or two."

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  1. Re:Why do this? by stevelinton · · Score: 4, Informative

    The accuracy of caesium clocks is one of the factors limiting GPS accuracy to a meter or so. These clocks could get that down to a millimeter allowing, for instance, GPS based automated guidance for trucks and automated landing for planes.

    There are also applications in scientific research -- I mentioned detecting changes in fundmental constants in the story, it might also help allow very long baseline interferometry (where two radio telescopes thousands of miles apart obtain the same resolution as one telescope thousands of miles wide) at higher frequencies, pushing into the long IR.

  2. Re:Why go any further by stevelinton · · Score: 4, Informative

    Because they're interested in deviations of much less than a second.

  3. Not really new by Dolphinzilla · · Score: 4, Informative

    trapped ion frequency standards are nothing new, NIST made one years ago, the only difference is that NPL uses Strontium instead of Mercury. While it appears to be more accurate than the NIST one, trapped ion standards are not very practical to build or run for everyday use and its not a primary frequency standard, since the definition of the second is in terms of Cesium resonance, only Cesium clocks are primary frequency standards.

  4. Changes in Constants? by TeaQuaffer · · Score: 4, Informative
    There is a little blip by Chris Carilli about changes in constants. [SIC] and more detailed article here.

    Does anyone know more about this?

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  5. Re:Great! by metlin · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, he was right.

    Accuracy is how close the measurement is to the actual value, precision is how much often the measurement is in agreement with the value.

    Showing the wrong time, no matter how precise, doesn't mean much. The new clock is more accurate.

  6. Bad reporting by fatphil · · Score: 5, Informative

    Slashdot's error -
    It's not 1000 times more accurate, it's 3 times more accurate (than the NIST's mercury ion resonator). The figure of 1000 is what they think the technology in the future, but that's purely hypothetical.

    NPL's errors -
    Bombarding an ion with a blue laser in order to cool it is _in_no_way_ similar to firing a beam of light at a mirror-ball. Mirror balls do not get cooler when you fire beams of light at them. Explanations that use inappropriate analogies are as useful as wearing tie-died lab-coats in night-clubs.

    If "one part in 10^18" is "nearly a thousand times more accurate than the best clocks of today", then today's best clocks must be accurate to 1 part in 10^15. Therefore this new clock, being "three times more accurate than the Americans", "3.4 parts in 10^15", cannot be the be the best clock of today. Either that or someone in NPL can't do simple maths.

    FP.

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  7. Second Minute by zenzic · · Score: 5, Informative

    According to Silvanus Thompson in his famous (and awesome!)(c1910) calculus book the word second comes from the term "second minute".

    I thought that was a neat and strange word origin (if correct).

    to quote him...
    "When they came to require still smaller subdivisions of time, they divided each minute into 60 still smaller parts, which, in Queen Elizabeth's days, they called "second minutes" (i.e. small quantities of the second order of minuteness). Nowadays we call these small quantities of the second order of smallness "seconds"."

    1. Re:Second Minute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I guess while We're at it, Queen Elizabeth should be credited with the invention of the Time Machine as well.

      According to multiple sources (see Eli Maor, Trigonometric Delights, Princeton Press, etc):

      "The Greeks called the sixtieth part of a degree the "first part," the sixtieth part of that the "second part,"...

      In Latin the former was called pars minuta prima ("first small part") and the latter pars minuta secunda ("second small part"),
      from which came our minute and second."

      The actual subdivisions are Babylonian in origen, since they invented the concept of the 24hr day
      with sexagesimal units of time (hours) which were subdivided a SECOND time into 60 TINIER chunks (seconds).

      Notice also that most romance languages have words for this unit of time that not only predate Queen Elizabeth's birth, but the English language itself.

  8. Re:Accurate clocks causing us problems by philip_bailey · · Score: 4, Informative

    Unfortunately the world has not completely standardized on when and how these leaps seconds are to be inserted

    Rubbish. This has been standardised for many years.

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  9. Re:this might be a stupid question but... by blueg3 · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's an awful point. When you build atomic clocks, you're not interested in measuring how long it takes the earth to go around the sun to great precision. You're not interested in actually keeping time for the next 30 billion years accurate to a second.

    For that matter, if the talk I heard a year ago about the work at NIST on this very thing is still true, these atomic clocks can't maintain their accuracy for more than a week or so.

    The "one second in 30 billion years" is a convenient extrapolation so that non-scientific persons get an idea of how accurate it is. It would be more correct to say that the atomic clock, in situations of normal operation, is accurate to one part in 10^18.

    For that matter, it doesn't hold a wall-clock type value, like saying it's exactly 22:04:17.832... Our choice of reference for time (say, when "noon" is), is difficult to measure and quite arbitrary. Instead, you're interested in, say, how long a particular process takes (light making a round trip, or atomic decay), measured to a very high degree of accuracy (and precision).

    Of course units of time are arbitrary. All units are arbitrary. Dimensions (length, time, etc.) and fundamental constants are non-arbitrary, but don't have any "natural" expression in terms of the units we use. (The most natural system of units is arguably expressing everything in terms of fundamental constants.) Seconds, minutes, hours, and years have arbitrary definitions for our convenience, just like any other unit.