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Efficient Solar Power Using Stirling Engines

tscola writes "The EE Times is reporting that the U.S. Energy department believes it can make solar collectors that generate electricity at efficiency levels that rival other methods. Instead of using photovoltaics, they want to use Stirling engines to convert the heat of the sun into electricity."

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  1. Re:where's the... by falzer · · Score: 4, Informative

    RTA much?

    By storing the energy in hydrogen fuel cells during the day, Stirling solar-dish farms could supply U.S. electrical-energy needs at night too, as well as enough juice for future fuel-cell-powered automobiles, the DOE believes.

  2. pictures by pg133 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Some pictures

  3. Re:Why so big scale? by Rhinobird · · Score: 4, Funny

    or a sundish shared in small community groups? Like shared water wells and such. That'd eliminate the middle man.

    You mean,like if, say, 6 dishes could power about 40 homes?

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  4. How Stirling Engines Work by spin2cool · · Score: 4, Informative

    Here's a great little intro to Sterling Engines, for those who have never heard of one.

  5. Re:Farms? by Andy_R · · Score: 4, Funny

    Here in England we are working on rain-driven turbines instead

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  6. Re:Close, but not there yet by Urkki · · Score: 4, Informative
    • I imagine a few feet of snow and -30 F temperatures render these things pretty useless.

    Snow might do it, but -30F certainly should not, quite the opposite. The engine operates on temperature difference. Thermally isolating the "hot side" is relatively easy, so colder it is at the "cool side" the better. Of course extreme cold could make lubrication etc more difficult, but any temperature current automobile engines handle should be just fine for stirling engine too in that respect.
  7. Re:Farms? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The space issue probably wouldn't, however, exist for the United States. For example, the state of Oregon has a population of 3.5 million. It covers an area a bit under 100,000 square miles (about 259,000 square kilometers), which is about the size of the UK. Much of this land is desert and open rangeland. A 20,000 dish farm would fit quite inconspicuously in SE Oregon, perhaps in Harney County which covers about 10,000 square miles with a population of only about 7200 people. The area gets lot of sunlight (but can get pretty cold in the winter).

    But realistically, these probably don't need to be built in a huge farm someplace. You could conceivably stick two or five of them on top of buildings, float a dozen of them on barges anchored in a reservoir, etc., and built the network piecemeal.

    If they really are valuable enough, it probably wouldn't be hard to find space for them in open space in Europe: someplace in Spain might be found, even if some amount of agriculture might need to be displaced for the installation. Or you could contract out to some relatively stable country in the Middle East to house them.

    If they're chiefly used to generate hydrogen they might be very useful to install in Northern Africa; hydrogen tankers could carry the energy to Europe.

  8. Misleading - Coal isn't "cheap" by Red+Rocket · · Score: 4, Interesting


    While it would be nice to get away from coal, there are two things stopping this. First, coal is cheap. Second, in recent years they have done a pretty solid job at cleaning up the health risks associated with coal.

    First, coal is not cheap. The price is low because the mining and electricity corporations export every cost they can get away with onto the public at large. Mountaintop removal/valley fill mining practices illegally destroy thousands of acres of Appalachian hardwood forests and hundreds of miles of streams. Electricity generation plants dump millions of tons of CO2 into the atmosphere altering its composition with unpredictable consequences, create acid fog and rain that destroy forests, lakes, and streams, and dump hundreds of pounds of mercury into the environment where it ends up damaging our brains. If mining and generating corporations were forced to be good citizens and not force us to surreptitiously pay for their products' hidden costs then other energy sources would be economically competitive. Instead, they prefer to stuff pennies into the fuse boxes of capitalism and bitchslap any more responsible initiatives with their ill-gotten capital.
    Second, BWAH HAH HAH HAH. That would be hilarious about the "pretty solid job at cleaning up the health risks" if it weren't so tragic what is happening. Granted, they are better than they used to be, but those gains come from laws passed in the '70s and '80s which are being rolled back now. (See the "Clear Skies Initiative")

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  9. Re:Land prices always kill this... by Red+Rocket · · Score: 4, Insightful


    You have to figure the cost of the real estate these items sit on, versus what other purposes the land could be used for.

    In the case of other power technologies, the land use is relatively concentrated. Mines, transport routes, powerplants, refineries, etc. don't take up nearly as much space.


    If the corporations profiting from fossil fuels were required to pay the real estate costs for the production of their products then solar would come out way ahead.
    Hundreds of miles of streams have been burried by mountaintop removal/valley fill coal mining (no charge) -- Thousands of acres of lakes and rivers mangled by acid rain (no charge) -- Millions of acres of forests damaged by acid rain (no charge) -- Thousands of miles of streams and millions of acres of ocean polluted with mercury (no charge) -- All the air on the planet altered in compostion by CO2 exaust with unpredictable consequences (no charge)
    They get away with it because we let them. We want "cheap" energy but we only get it by ignoring the real costs.

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  10. Re:Flywheels instead of hydrogen cells? by Chuckstar · · Score: 5, Informative

    Quite the contrary.

    Flywheel batteries (for lack of a better term) are designed to be free-floating within their housings. Its much easier to let the thing precess then try to tie it down. This doesn't work for disk drives because you need the heads in contact with the drives. For a flywheel, you don't need anything to be in contact, so you can let the axis move around as it likes. (You do energy transfers using magnetic fields.)

    Regarding the energy of the spinning earth. First, any change you made to the earth's spin by energizing the fly-wheels, you would get back when you took the energy back out (minus friction of course). So you're not really affecting the total energy much.

    Second, you clearly are not understanding the magnitude of energy we're talking about in the earth's rotation. If you could siphon energy from the earth's rotation, you could power the whole U.S. for 1.4 million _years_ and only change the length of a day by 1 second.