Slashdot Mirror


Anarchy Brings Low Telecom Prices In Somalia

AlanKHG writes "As Somalia has been without a government for 13 years, its telecom market has gone unregulated. In that time, the service has become some of the best in Africa. On the other hand, some of the downsides of a society without government are visible, as the country is divided by warring factions and the roads have gone completely unmaintained."

31 comments

  1. um... by BortQ · · Score: 4, Funny

    So you are saying I should start shooting up the neighborhood if I am fed up with my craptacular phone company?

    --

    A Multiplayer Strategy Game for Mac OS X, Windows, and Linux
    1. Re:um... by dhakbar · · Score: 1

      I recommend this course of action, yes.

    2. Re:um... by cjpez · · Score: 1

      ... but only if you don't need to drive anywhere. :)

  2. "Some of the Best Service in Africa?" by jmt9581 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not to sound pompous, but is this really that high of a standard? I'm not trolling, I just really don't know.

    --

    My blog

    1. Re:"Some of the Best Service in Africa?" by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      not very.

      it's more like it's amazingly good for a warzone.
      not amazing if you compare to a non-warzone though.

      misleading slashdot headline? how shocking!
      **
      "We badly need a government," he says. "Everything starts with security - the situation across the country.
      **

      --
      world was created 5 seconds before this post as it is.
    2. Re:"Some of the Best Service in Africa?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obtaining a government is just a faction winning the war, though. The only political difference between this anarchy and them having a government is that no one can be said to be in control.

      "The good-guys always win." Because the winner defines the reality.

    3. Re:"Some of the Best Service in Africa?" by Amadodd · · Score: 5, Informative

      3 days for a phone line is exceptional in Africa and 10$ flatrate for local phone calls is unheard of. Down here in South Africa we have arguably the best communications network in Africa, run by what has recently become on of the worst companies in this country. Look at 4-6 weeks for a residential installation and a 12$US? subscription fee afterwards(no call included). They have been raping the SA consumer to the tune of R4billion + yearly for the past few years. We fortunately are about to see an about turn come Feb 2005, when deregulation kicks in. I think our telecoms future lies in small operators like this. They will probably consolidate into bigger companies, but nothing drives prices down like competition. I hope that that Ivy or ICASA is seeing this and can go and learn from the Somalis.

      --
      Freedom of speech doesn't come with bandwidth.
    4. Re:"Some of the Best Service in Africa?" by shufler · · Score: 1

      Don't get your hopes up.

      Deregulation isn't all it's cracked up to be.

  3. Not all of Somalia is in anarchy by dasunt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Somalia can be considered several regions. Somaliland (western Somalia) considers itself a seperate country and maintains a working government (working by the standards of a 3rd world African nation). Puntland also maintains some rule of order (not as much as Somaliland, it seems), but considers itself a part of Somalia, and wants to see the creation of a federated Somalia. The southwest portion of Somalia is what we would consider to be the anarchistic Somalia, with small regions being held by whoever can collect guns and followers. In addition, in southwest Somalia is Mogadishu, which is partially controlled by the transitional gov't. (For those counting, that's three named governments/regions (Somaliland, Puntland, the transitional gov't/Mogadishu) and a good chunk of the country run by local warlords.)

    So which part are we talking about? The (mostly unrecognized by the world at large, relatively stable) country of Somaliland, the (somewhat stable) autonomous region of Puntland, or the rest of Somalia?

    Good telecom in Somaliland and Puntland wouldn't be an example of a telephone system in an anarchistic land. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if a powerful warlord with a large holding had decent telecom service.

    TFA gives me the impression that the researcher is only talking about Mogadishu, which, from what I can tell, is just outside of the territory that Puntland claims, but still within its sphere of influence, with parts controlled by the transitional government of Somalia. Mogadishu wasn't stable during the US Military action there a decade ago, and googling, I find articles about kidnappings and murders. At the same time, I find an article which implies that southern Mogadishu is more stable than northern Mogadishu.

    I'd be impressed if the telecoms stayed working in areas which were under true anarchy and lawlessness. I'd be less impressed if the telecoms are opperating in and from areas where a particular warlord or government is strong.

    In any case, my google refresher on Somalia gives me no urge to live under anarchy, regardless of the benefits. The natives of Somalia seem to agree with me -- even the telecoms want to pay taxes, if it means a stable gov't.

  4. Real racial diferrences. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

    I REALLY don't want to come to raceist conclusions (I was raised very PC, admire Martin Luthor King, would marry a black woman if she was smart and pretty.), but one look at Africa and I can't help but conclude that the rather large gap in average IQ scores between whites and blacks is an excellent explanation for why Africa is such a shithole. Now if your gonna reply saying its all us evil westerners fault, don't bother, cause I've heard it all before and am getting REALLY sick of it. THe simple fact is that africans behave very diferrently in groups than any white or asian people do. How can China and Japan have such a long history of relatively stable government while Africa has almost no such thing. And why the acts of complete animal savagry you see Africans commit during the wars, could you even imagine that kinda shit happening in China or japan or Europe. (I know the Nazis and shit are exceptions, but actualy it helps prove my point that Europeans were smart enough to cary out a systematic extermination, while in Africa you have Rwanda, where people hacke each other with machettes). Quite simply every day shows dramatic proof that black Africans simply cannot maintain very complex societys. If you want to disagree, please tell me WHY modern Africa is beset with so much chaos, disorder, and unspeakable savagry ( in particular the thugs who chop of the arms of children or in South Africa the whole phenomeon of infant rape.) or why AIDS is such an epidemic. The simple fact is that the average African IQ is 70, while britian is 100 and japan 110, and this has profound consequences on the maximum complexity of a society that they can maintain. this is a very interesting aritcle I cam across.http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQafrican.htm

    1. Re:Real racial diferrences. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      Congratulations on such a well-crafted troll. But as anyone with an IQ above 70 will tell you, you are grossly incorrect, since IQs below 90 occur only in the retarded.

    2. Re:Real racial diferrences. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll

      Actually, 70 is considered to be the threshold of mental retardation, but its pretty arbritray. 90 is actulaly pretty high.But thats exactly my point, that most of the African population would be considered retarded by Western standards. And judgeing by African's behavior I find it really hard to disagree. There is an enormous amount of data about this topic and it is remarkably consistent. Even in the US blacks score 15 points lower than whites. And I can hardly be called raceist because Asians have a higher average IQ than whites. A good book about this topic is "IQ and the Wealth of Nations "http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/027 597510X/qid=1101217731/sr=1-8/ref=sr_1_8/002-40948 46-4644065?v=glance&s=books

    3. Re:Real racial diferrences. by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: -1, Offtopic

      My take? In short: the guilty factors are cultural and historical in nature, not biological. Perhaps African society doesn't fit the mold of Western-style government as well as others do, but it's hard to blame them for that. In fact, I suspect the main reason Westerners look at Africa with contempt and pity is that Westerners have a habit of compulsively judging other societies by their own, homegrown, metrics. Blood revenge is a horror to you or me, but perhaps not so to those who were raised in a culture that values it as tradition and honor. Many Africans, for their part, would denounce our society's consumer fetishism and perceived soullessness.

      And you can trust me because I'm Japanese with a high IQ.

    4. Re:Real racial diferrences. by ratsnapple+tea · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Like you said, "by Western standards." Perhaps a better question for you to ask is why you insist on applying Western standards to the African continent.

    5. Re:Real racial diferrences. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Does that include Western standards of civilization and behavior, because I sure don't see it in Africa. Infant rape, Machette genocide, cutting off childrens arms, etc. The point is that Africas problems are self inflicted and I am just trying to figure out WHY it is the way it is.

  5. anarchy by BinLadenMyHero · · Score: 2

    On the other hand, some of the downsides of a society without government are visible, as the country is divided by warring factions and the roads have gone completely unmaintained.

    To make telecomunication work is a direct interest of the company, as it will turn into imediate profit. But no single entity has direct interest or responsability over the maintainence of the roads.

    But I'm sure many companies that depends on the roads are suffering from the situation. The natural behaviour would be that these companies would form a group to get resources to take care of the roads. It's their indirect interest, and it's a common good, so the action naturally will take longer, but it will happen. Isn't that how anarchy is supposed to work?

  6. Almost slipped up by Zareste · · Score: 0, Troll

    some of the downsides of a society without government are visible, as the country is divided by warring factions and the roads have gone completely unmaintained."

    Awww too bad. Wouldn't wanna point out something that supports life without government control. Maybe if you enjoy torture for some reason; otherwise not. But yipes! Warring factions? Can't they just peacefully join forces and obliterate countries with oil like real nations do?

    For cripes sake they need to join another country before they're all spontaneously killed by the lack of murderous politicians like the school system says to believe. Come on, they'll love it. It's freedom; we're all free. I mean except for the whole "everyone's in prison, in psychological torture, funding nuclear doomsday devices with taxes and killing each other" thing, but that's a small price to pay for well-maintained roads.

    --
    I am NOT a number! I am a - oh wait, I'm number 761710. Look! 761710!
    1. Re:Almost slipped up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, looks like I was hit by a troll-mod. Ah well, we do have meta-moderating for a reason; these whiny kids with mod points are getting out of control.

  7. Communications Uber Alles! by VernonNemitz · · Score: 1

    They say that a great many problems in the world are caused by lack of communications. According to the article, when the fighting first broke out, all the systems including (must have not been working well) communications broke down completely. This version of "The Silent Treatment" did not go over well, and so communications companies were able to form and function and not be bothered by the combatants. As a result, GOOD communications has apparently (finally?) given the political enemies opportunities to talk out differences. Quote from article: "Somalia's previous governments have kept taxes low and hopes this will continue under the regime due to start work in the coming months." COOL!

  8. Service is good if phone use is a privilege by dajak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is not surprising that it takes only three days to install a land line. Service is good if phone use is a privilege of the filthy rich. Prices may be very low by international standards, but most Somalis are very, very poor. The number of phones is very low, the users are rich, and the employees of the phone company earn very little compared to the users. They can afford to appoint a guy who will work fulltime to install the land line immediately.

    If the next government of Somalia is a socialist government, the exact same service by the same people will suddenly be very bad because everyone will have a right to a phone for an affordable price.

    Have you seen the caption under the picture? It says "Somalis send e-mails in their own language". That is informative, isn't it?

  9. Third-world telecom heaven? Where's my coat... by human+bean · · Score: 1

    No regulation, three telecomms companies managed by what is probably a collusion monopoly, civil strife, no taxes, crumbling physical infrastructure, cheap labor, clannish minimally industrialised society, and a chance to live the bwana lifestyle?

    Woohoo! I'm off! Got my ticket already. I'm sick up to here with bleeding regulatory commissions rate findings. No more of this namby-pamby court-mandated be-a-nice-telco manure. I could get some REAL billing done there, let me tell you. Probably none of those pesky monetary exchange rules, either. Want that cell phone? Well, then fast up with it, son, in hard currency or goods. I'm not picky...

    --

    *whup* "Get along, little electrons. Heeyah!"

    1. Re:Third-world telecom heaven? Where's my coat... by Cade144 · · Score: 1

      On the other hand:

      While Telcom Somalia has some 25,000 mobile customers - and a similar number have land lines - you very rarely see anyone walking along the streets of Mogadishu chatting on their phone, in case this attracts the attention of a hungry gunman.

      By all means get a cell phone. Just don't use it where people can see you, apparently.

      The article also mentions that the people running the telecom companies want a government that can provide security, and welcome paying taxes to that extent. They just don't want government to nationalize the nifty telecom system they've set up.

  10. Pick by Jebediah21 · · Score: 1

    Competition, Security, Freedom. Pick any two.

    --

    Everytime you look at porn a devil gets their horns.
  11. Probably mostly cellular by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    If it's cellular-based, that ought to make it much less expensive, reliable, and easier to extend then if they are laying and maintaining cables to homes and businesses.

    1. Re:Probably mostly cellular by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Er, I meant more reliable.

  12. And Hitler had a lovely singing voice. by Picass0 · · Score: 1

    Yea Anarchy? Somalia has great telecom? Um, sort of misses the big picture.

  13. Rediculous by comwiz56 · · Score: 0, Troll

    This is rediculous. Who cares about how expensive your phone bill is when you have to use all the money you're saving to buy guns to protect your children?

  14. Paradise by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

    A Libertarian paradise, that is. It sounds like the free market is working well in Somalia, bringing high quality service at low prices. The crime and violence problems can be easily solved in the way that our own NRA champions here in the US. With more gun ownership, including unrestricted ownership and concealed carrying of handguns, the criminals and thugs will think twice before commiting a crime.

    --
    Fascism trolls keeping me up every night. When I starts a preachin', he HITS ME WITH HIS REICH!
  15. I must ask... by 4of12 · · Score: 1

    On the other hand, some of the downsides of a society without government are visible, as the country is divided by warring factions and the roads have gone completely unmaintained.

    what the libertarian perspective is on Somalia?

    --
    "Provided by the management for your protection."
  16. At least... by cuteseal · · Score: 1
    "On the other hand, some of the downsides of a society without government are visible, as the country is divided by warring factions and the roads have gone completely unmaintained"

    Well at least they can pick up the phone... and call someone who cares!

  17. Fine by me. Their remaining relatives can stop by human+bean · · Score: 1

    service after the gun-luggers do the phone mugging. I won't insist that they finish out the contract, unlike some wireless marketing execs I know.

    --

    *whup* "Get along, little electrons. Heeyah!"